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The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.
> necessary for fast enough transfer speeds Source?
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#62Curious who uses iMac over a MBP with an external monitor? Is it mainly for front desk, businesses, and perhaps people with large homes and need stationary mac?
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#63If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.
Arbitrary markup based on whatever they can maximally extract from their consumers is the name of the game. Product segmentation is just one of a variety of tools used to that purpose.
> Product segmentation is just one of a variety of tools used to that purpose.
I think people here forget that Apple is targeting a certain profit margin. Currently, their gross profit margin is about 45%.
If you're rolling this out on the Mac line, it's okay to have a profit margin closer to 35% on the base model; but maybe with 55%-65% margins on the higher-tier professional equipment, to "balance" it out. It also turns out, professionals have money, and will pay despite the grumbling. The RAM prices are basically a progressive tax.
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They literally can't. They moved the headphone jack from the back to the side because it was too long. Now you could argue if it needs to be that thin but for the current configuration, there's nothing you can cram behind the screen.
For something that's literally designed to sit on a desk, yes... it's ridiculous to make it thinner in a dimension you never see vs one that you see all the time.
Many of these are customer service desks which are visible from the side.
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#65Side note, is there anyone that uses a Magic Mouse? It looks uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time and curious if that's true.
I agree but some people love it. The rest of have a Logitech MX
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#66Side note, is there anyone that uses a Magic Mouse? It looks uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time and curious if that's true.
My work bought one for me so I gave a try. Maybe they updated the sensor but the one I got a few years ago was a bad optical mouse compared to what I’m used to (Logitech MX and Razer).
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#67If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.
The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.
For SSD speeds, that was already dismistified with iBoff new adapter which makes an M1 Macbook Air upgradable and faster. I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true for RAM using the CAMM standard positioned near the CPU. Or maybe even better, slotted memory chips like in the old days, with a memory controller ready to accept multiple chip sizes.
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#68If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.
I’ve never felt memory limited on my 16gb macbook pro, on which I code, run rust-analyzer (major memory hog), video edit, etc. Most people definitely don’t need 32GB
Agreed. I was XCode'ing on an 8gb M1 back during the lockdown, it was great.
It's nice to see more RAM and Apple was being very stingy about it, but the real-world is totally overblown.
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#69Why does this still have the ridiculous iMac chin? Surely they can fit everything behind the screen at this point.
It makes a lot more sense if you look at the iFixit teardown. https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+M1+24-Inch+Teardown/142...
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.
> necessary for fast enough transfer speeds Source?
This has been the approach since the M1s.
See: https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/19/apple_m1_high_bandwid...
> The SoC has access to 16GB of unified memory. This uses 4266 MT/s LPDDR4X SDRAM (synchronous DRAM) and is mounted with the SoC using a system-in-package (SiP) design. A SoC is built from a single semiconductor die whereas a SiP connects two or more semiconductor dies.