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Re: New iMac with M4

#41

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

32 GB seems plenty for me for the target audience. The iMac is aimed at a rather casual computer user, especially now that they nixed the larger screen size one.

Re: New iMac with M4

#42
post #27

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.

> necessary for fast enough transfer speeds

Source?

Re: New iMac with M4

#43
post #7

Side note, is there anyone that uses a Magic Mouse? It looks uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time and curious if that's true.

The bigger issue with the Magic Mouse is moving it. It has rails instead of PFT feet and it tends to tire my wrist out.

When I got an iMac I paid the $50 extra for the Magic Trackpad and it was worth it.

Re: New iMac with M4

#44
post #7

Side note, is there anyone that uses a Magic Mouse? It looks uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time and curious if that's true.

It has its fans but lots of people find it uncomfortable.

My biggest issue with it is that it's way too heavy. Once you go back to 50-60g mice you can't go back.

Re: New iMac with M4

#45
post #13
post #9

Accessories are updated to USB-C instead of Lightning

Not sure if they are purchasable separately yet though.

Looks like they don't have the color-matched options for individual purchase, but the b/w trackpad, keyboard, and at least 1 keyboard variant are available.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXK93AM/A

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXK53AM/A

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MXK73LL/A

Re: New iMac with M4

#46
post #7

Side note, is there anyone that uses a Magic Mouse? It looks uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time and curious if that's true.

I use one for 8+ hours a day. I keep reading about the design being uncomfortable, but definitely hasn't been the case for me.

I guess if I actually kept my hand directly in line with the mouse it'd be pretty painful. I just about always keep my hand in a slant, more similar to how you'd use a trackpad, or as if you were holding a sort of slanted mouse.

I've stuck with it because of the well implemented 2d scrolling. Using a physical scrolling wheel feels off at this point.

Re: New iMac with M4

#47
post #27

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

The ram is on the package for more than portability. It’s necessary for fast enough transfer speeds for the iGPU.

Then again, the rest of the industry has figured out a way to make slottable RAM almost as fast and compact as soldered RAM with the new CAMM2/LPCAMM2 standards. The M4 has LPDDR5X-7500 120GB/sec memory and there are already LPCAMM2-7500 120GB/sec modules, with even faster ones on the way: https://www.anandtech.com/show/21390/micron-ships-crucialbra...

Two of those modules working in parallel would hit "M Pro" speeds as well. I doubt Apple will be adopting them though, for the same reason they don't offer standard M.2 SSD slots even on systems that could obviously support them with minimal design compromises.

Re: New iMac with M4

#48

16GB base RAM, they finally did it. They also did move the Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse to USB-C.

Now if only they could figure out how to allow charging the Magic Mouse while it’s being used. I guess that technology is still years away.

Re: New iMac with M4

#49

If 32GB is the max, why not just make that the one and only model and get rid of this weird segmentation. That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. 8GB was practically criminal. Or -- and I know this is crazy -- slottable RAM on a device that is designed for things other than portability. Wild, I know.

> That's a ridiculously low minimum and only just barely adequate. What are you doing? I'm still doing web development with Chrome, JetBrains, and Docker on a 16GB M1 Pro and it isn't a problem. For the average Chrome-using citizen, 16GB should be fine.

Opening large files, such as large Figma files, eats up RAM like no tomorrow
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