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I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by righthand »

This kind of thing is going to be the split between the technically inclined and the non-technically inclined. Those that believe thinking and understanding is too hard or that school is not cool or whatever will have technology to slide by on. They will be apart of the non-technical society and they will languish there. Comfortable in their lower pay and social media and grocery store tomatoes. Truly one of the herd of corporate loyalty.

Fine, I say, we can’t elevate everyone. It’s just a bit amusing though that for a long time the youth was smarter than the previous generation due to embrace of tech. Now the youth is going to be more and more clever and not necessarily more intelligent instead because that is what is valued, taking a shortcut that technology enables.

Oddly it might end up being a rift between the lower class and the middle class. Or perhaps more of a reshuffling as those who are willing to put in the efforts to understand will be apart of the techno-literate class and those who “dont care” will be apart of the “dont care” class.

Digital welfare for the non-nerdy.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by thfuran »

rectang wrote: post #40
malfist wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see that as a bad thing. Einstein famously didn't memorize phone numbers because you could look it up in book. Quick external lookups are a huge productivity boost since you don't have to spend all the time memorizing something.

A conversation between Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson from A Study in Scarlet , by Arthur Conan Doyle: > That any civilized human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to be to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it. > "You appear to be astonished," he said, smiling at my expression of surprise. "Now that I do know it I shall do my b…

It can be pretty hard to tell in advance which knowledge will eventually make a difference (or would have, if you had it).

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by vel0city »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #37
adamc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can already see it in people who cannot navigate their automobile without google maps or some equivalent.

I think what is more readily apparent is that younger folks cannot reverse their car without looking at the camera. Older folks still turn around and look.

I cannot reverse my car without looking at the camera but that's because cars these days are so high off the ground, the rear windows are so tiny, and the pillars are so huge that I can't see much turning around.

Someone about four feet tall can easily walk past the rear of my car and aside from the half second of them in the side mirrors (which I can't see if I'm looking backwards anyways) there's no way I'd be able to see them looking backwards. But the ultra-wide angle camera mounted low on the gate I'd see them easily.

Plus, with the position of the camera at the end of the vehicle and its FOV, there are angles I wouldn't possibly be able to see with a car parked on either side of me. Coupled with radar sensors able to detect cross traffic before its even possibly visible in that situation the sensors greatly enhance by ability to see the situation than if I was entirely relying on turning around.

I do turn around while reversing, but more of just a double check of the overall scene. Same with double checking side mirrors while reversing. But a large amount of what I'm looking at is the screen.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by Miraste »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #11

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The downvotes are likely not because of the criticism of teachers, but the lack of recognition that AIs are not private tutors, and AI companies are working very hard to make their products more authoritarian than any human system could ever be.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by MarcScott »

I'm thinking of going back into teaching because of ChatGPT.

I created an entire scheme of work for my wife today, including all the lesson plans, and next I'll work on some student resources and quizzes. It took about thirty minutes. She'll need to check them over to make sure they're okay, but still a massive time saver.

I've taken photos of my son's revision activities and had ChatGPT mark them. It's surprisingly accurate given his awful handwriting.

Report writing becomes a thing of the past, as I can upload a CSV of grades along with a sentence or two of description, and have it generate unique reports for each student.

This would all allow me to do what I used to love. I can just spend my time with students in the classroom, engaging them, teaching them, discussing with them. I won't be bringing home mounds of paperwork, that eats into my evenings and weekends. I'll go into work each day feeling fresh and ready to actually educate kids.

ChatGPT takes away the busy work from both teachers and students.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by lucianbr »

adamc wrote: post #39

I read this and it struck a chord. A decade or more ago, a friend of mine teaching English in a major state university told me that he was getting lots of students who couldn't seem to read a novel. They could read the words on the page, but they couldn't focus enough to really understand it. My experience is that writing things out always improves my understanding of the subject. It's similar to forcing yourself to…

> If the result of chatgpt is even more kids skating through life without really picking up these skills... it may have tragic consequences. Learning to think well is the single most important thing I got from education.

Do teachers have no role here? "If many kids make a certain choice, there will be big trouble". Maybe teach them to do better? Is the role of educator reduced to giving assignements and grading them in a mindless way? Seems like this would be exactly the point.

After all, without schools, people learned less. So now we have schools, and people learn more. We didn't just lament "well if people don't learn, we're all screwed". We did something about it. Is this AI thing really beyond any solution? What has been tried so far?

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Post by vel0city »

umbra07 wrote: post #59
Workaccount2 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what is more readily apparent is that younger folks cannot reverse their car without looking at the camera. Older folks still turn around and look.

What is this based off of? Most young people (who have a car) have an old car, without backup cameras.

Backup cameras were mandated in the US in 2018 and were already getting to be pretty popular on even midrange trim vehicles by that time. Every six year old car has a backup camera, and a large percentage of 7–10-year-old cars do as well.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by teaearlgraycold »

deegles wrote: post #35
FrustratedMonky wrote: post #18

Is this all bad? The conversational model of learning, the dialectic, can be better for learning than just reading walls of text. Instant access to a lot of information, in a more conversational model. I've found it to be more natural. Are we reaching the stage where every kid has a "Young Lady's Illustrated Primer" from the Diamond Age? That would be a good thing.

If they can solve the hallucination problem, sure. Otherwise we're going to have a lot of people who "know" things about the world that are simply made up.

That is and always has been the status quo. The question is if proportionally more or less is made up now. People may be able to learn more true facts thanks to LLMs.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by throwawayffffas »

light_triad wrote: post #60

> With the easy temptation of AI, many—possibly most—of my students were no longer willing to push through discomfort. There's been an important shift in education in the last 20 years: a push for lessons to be short, entertaining and unchallenging. When students struggle with tasks, in many cases they are just told not to do them. LLMs are the next wave of this shift - what could be awesome tools for research and wr…

> There's been an important shift in education in the last 20 years: a push for lessons to be short, entertaining and unchallenging. When students struggle with tasks, in many cases they are just told not to do them.

I was in school 20 years ago. That is not my recollection. Lessons were long, focused and challenging if you engaged.

Re: I Quit Teaching Because of ChatGPT

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Post by smokel »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #31
smokel wrote: post #15

The real problem seems to be with the testing and grading system, and the fact that some people game them to receive some title or other credentials. If one is really interested in learning to write well, or to understand what good writing is, then this particular teacher might still have liked their job. That approach probably doesn't make much money though.

I don't know. When have you heard a single student or educator in a class suggest, "All submitted papers should be available to be read by everyone in the class"? Think deeply about the impacts of that. Other than a creative writing class, I can't recall a single time when I could read someone else's papers without their express permission. I'm bringing this up because you're talking about a tired trope, that making…

I'm not sure I understand your argument, except for the needless stab.

All Master's thesis papers at my university were publicly available at the library, apart from some that did theirs at a company which did not allow this.

Do you suggest that group reading would be a better approach for grading texts?

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