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Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by eviks »

m463 wrote: post #37
nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

You want a local LLM. honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.

No, I want a way to remove any LLM. Though this is as likely add your regulation hope

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by josephg »

s1gsegv wrote: post #27
mrweasel wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you be using it for? More and more I fail to see the value in LLMs. Something like Copilot, if used correctly, does have a bit of usefulness, but that's really the main use case right now. You can't trust the LLMs, so you can't use them for anything where you aren't going to go through the output meticulously afterwards. Then again, I don't see the point in Siri either, it's useful in only a handful of cas…

I went back to iOS recently, and with AirPods or CarPlay, I found Siri to be a really pleasant surprise. If I need something done, like a text message sent or a quick calculation done, I can just ask without taking my hands or eyes off what I’m doing. It’s also gotten a lot better at taking the hot word + command + arguments without breaks. “hey siri, send a message to dan I’m here” gets you “to dan: I’m here, send i…

I have the opposite experience with Siri. Maybe it’s my Australian accent. I have HomePods around, and I use them for lots of stuff. But the voice assistant is barely useful.

“Hey siri, turn on the amp.” “Ok, your media will play louder.” “Siri Set alarm for 4:18” “I’ve set an alarm for 8 o’clock” “hey siri cancel alarm” - radio silence. (Listening to podcast, and my alarm goes off) “hey siri stop” (the alarm stops, so does the podcast). “Hey siri play” “ok, here is some media” (random music plays) … uuurrrrrgghhhh.

I can’t wait for chatgpt to replace Siri.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by josephg »

mrweasel wrote: post #21
Auracle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Siri but as an LLM would be “bullshit.” It’d be an absolutely immense upgrade.

What would you be using it for? More and more I fail to see the value in LLMs. Something like Copilot, if used correctly, does have a bit of usefulness, but that's really the main use case right now. You can't trust the LLMs, so you can't use them for anything where you aren't going to go through the output meticulously afterwards. Then again, I don't see the point in Siri either, it's useful in only a handful of cas…

> You can't trust the LLMs, so you can't use them for anything where you aren't going to go through the output meticulously afterwards.

People keep saying things like this, and I’m confused because I go to Google for facts, and chatgpt is still super useful. Things I’ve used chatgpt for recently:

- Here’s some text I’m writing for a paper. Help me reword it to make it sound more natural.

- I want to put coconut crème into a stew. When should I add it? What else would go well?

- I’m making a Makefile which has some unusual requirements. How do I do that? Here’s the actual commands I want it to run. Write the makefile. (The makefile wasn’t great, but it was a good start and let me hit the ground running.)

- Generate 100 quirky characteristics for an npc in D&D

And so on. It’s a tool for creativity. I absolutely can’t wait for my HomePods to be replaced with chatgpt.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by mrweasel »

josephg wrote: post #62
s1gsegv wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went back to iOS recently, and with AirPods or CarPlay, I found Siri to be a really pleasant surprise. If I need something done, like a text message sent or a quick calculation done, I can just ask without taking my hands or eyes off what I’m doing. It’s also gotten a lot better at taking the hot word + command + arguments without breaks. “hey siri, send a message to dan I’m here” gets you “to dan: I’m here, send i…

I have the opposite experience with Siri. Maybe it’s my Australian accent. I have HomePods around, and I use them for lots of stuff. But the voice assistant is barely useful. “Hey siri, turn on the amp.” “Ok, your media will play louder.” “Siri Set alarm for 4:18” “I’ve set an alarm for 8 o’clock” “hey siri cancel alarm” - radio silence. (Listening to podcast, and my alarm goes off) “hey siri stop” (the alarm stops,…

I just disable Siri. Other than driving I can't imagine talking to Siri, it feels inefficient compared to just pushing a button.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by diggan »

detourdog wrote: post #47
diggan wrote: post #40

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Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.

> Isn't Siri required for speech processing?

Probably, but I don't use it, only use my car buttons/dial for controlling CarPlay. The times I've tried the voice control it got maybe 50% of the instructions correct, which was more distracting than the muscle-learned buttons/dial control, so I keep using what works.

If I was trying to use voice control, it'd make sense. But I don't, so it doesn't.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by matwood »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #19
ksec wrote: post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

Ah yes, just what we’ve all been craving: even more Microsoft.

Yeah, interesting world where people are wanting MS to make a phone...again.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by matwood »

lrvick wrote: post #41
nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Using words like 'cult' and 'evil' I think says more about your bias than anything else.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by matwood »

beretguy wrote: post #39
mrweasel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple should consider an iPhone/iOS light, a version stripped of anything but the bare essentials. I get why they don't, the market isn't big enough, and they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE.

> they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE. They need to stop making phones every year. Most people in the world already have phones and don’t need a new one every year. They also need to make 4 inch phone, like iPhone SE 1. That was the perfect size for a phone.

> They also need to make 4 inch phone, like iPhone SE 1. That was the perfect size for a phone.

There are dozens of people who agree with you ;)

Apple came late to the big phone and were pulled there by the market. I'm surprised they still release a smaller phone at all given the rumors of such low sales.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by itscrush »

detourdog wrote: post #47
diggan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general. So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

Isn't Siri required for speech processing? I use voice control the most while in my car. Do you really just want to use the buttons? I can understand that could be the case but I never considered this.

Forcing me into a voice assistant enabled at all times regardless though kills the whole thing. I end up preferring buttons and gui because the hands-free "assistance" is most often exercises in frustration and I conclude not worth it.

At this point many years of poor quality experience whenever I encounter voice processing is the matter. Happy to call me old, stupid, and bad at speech ... all are probably true. Still won't fix the frustrations I have for Siri, Tesla, Google-something, Bixby's button, and Alexa devices ... much less every customer service line now consistently apologizing that they didn't get that.

Carplay is leaps and bounds a better approach to gui/console in most cars. Much better than Subaru, Ford, Toyota or others can produce and there shouldn't be a voice assistant cost along with it.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #55
dzhiurgis wrote: post #30

Is there going to be an option to use other model with same level integration or is it as anti-competitive as usual?

Not allowing for whatever customisation any particular nerd wants is not ‘anti-competitive’. Have you ever actually written software for public consumption? If some HN user told me that me not allowing them to swap out a dependency is anti-competitive I’d be quite within my rights to call them psychotic.

What dependency? Please tell me the technical reasons why it can't be replaced with any other assistant.

EU has been chasing Siri, among other "inseparatable" features, for years.

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