Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

restofworld.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 147 posts

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#61

Post by canadiantim »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

[flagged]

I bet your POV is more common than traditionally thought

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#62

Post by gruez »

the_duke wrote: post #31
aurareturn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years. But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.

>Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: [...] r/politics

not sure if serious.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#64

Post by pjc50 »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

[flagged]

> (Let's not fool ourselves. We have moderators and downvotes, not because they work well, but because it's a convenient lesser evil)

Well, indeed. This is just anarchism vs. policing but for text. It gets re-litigated over and over again; different places move the boundary to different places. But very few dare to have no moderators or no police, and those that do are usually fairly immediate disasters. I'm sure you could find Bakunin quotes that accurately describe the moderation dilemma from 100+ years foresight, if you were so inclined.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#66

Post by CommieBobDole »

swayvil wrote: post #58
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

[flagged]

>I know that this is an uncommon view.

I don't think this is correct - this is an extremely common view, in several senses of the word. It's especially popular among people who have never tried to use an unmoderated forum with more than a few members, and the sort of people who make moderation a necessity in the first place.

>because it's a convenient lesser evil

This is the true in the sense that pretty much all of society is a convenient lesser evil than "everybody agrees generally what the right thing is and does that all the time without exception".

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#67

Post by nicolas_t »

DeathArrow wrote: post #9
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

I wish there was a notification for replies to comments I made. I feel that some conversations could be continued if such a feature existed.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#69

Post by Zandikar »

DeathArrow wrote: post #9
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

> Hard to follow someone

IMO: Good. The harder it is to shout "look at ME" for clout and profit, the more productive and on topic the discourse tends to be, and the easier it is for moderation to weed out the trolls and off topic/hateful/spammy discussion. The fact that this place isn't about who any one given poster is, but what they have to say, is part of what makes it such a vibrant and valuable and informative place to have discussions.

> hard to form groups discussing various topics

Why is this necessary when various topics tend to get substantial discussion already? Sure, some more than others, but that activity tends to form a rather organic filter without facilitating echo chambers and mob mentality that tends to emerge when you start erecting walled gardens. Sure, that still happens to an extent, but much less than on say reddit or twitter.

I fail to see how making this more like platforms succumbing to the enshittification of the internet is a path to improvement here.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

#70

Post by throwaway22032 »

instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Elitism.

You need to keep the quality of discussion high. That means prioritising individuals with critical thinking skills over emotional hot takes.

I disagree with political opinions on here a lot of the time, but the individuals expressing them are usually at least able to articulate logically why they make sense from their vantage point.

By contrast, somewhere like Reddit is obviously made up of far less inquisitive individuals on average which makes everything a "hot take", often using buzzwords.

Post reply on HN