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Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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Because nothing could make the signal to noise ratio on that bug report worse than posting it to a news aggregator. Thank you, SandB0x. I'm sure everyone on Ubuntu's XOrg team appreciates it.

You make it sound as if it was posted to lipstick.com. HN mostly has very technical type of people who are well capable of debugging and eliminating issues.

Reading the bug reports, I am pretty sure that the signal to noise issue will actually be better in commments from HN folks.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

#62

Hmm, lots of anecdotes and complaining here. I've experienced no issues of the sort. Running perfectly smoothly here on 12.04, 64-bit. And I'm on a 4-year-old Pentium Dual Core machine, of all things.

I have same experience with more recent i5 Dell. Suspend now works too!

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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12.04 has been the single worst release ever for me (used Ubuntu since 2006). These include the Nvidia binary driver crashing, the open source Noveau driver losing the plot and drawing random content from the wrong windows, a 2 minute wait booting a laptop waiting for network, compiz move window making life hard but disabling is even worse, sound applet not showing up, repeatedly disabling my webcam microphone for no…

I've been having problems with nvidia drivers ever since xserver 1.1 The performance sucks and the gtkperf shows it Running gtkperf on a laptop with a 943/940gml integrated graphics card Total time: 7.17 On a laptop with a nvidia 8400 card Total time: 9.08 eeepc 701sd Total time: 25.31 Nothing has changed, while 3D is decent, 2D drawing is a pain, just switching tabs in firefox makes you want to throw the damn thing…

The binary drivers or the nouveau ones? I've always used the binary ones, and Nvidia's driver quality has been why I've only bought Nvidia cards for many years. It has only been this release that caused me problems, and even then I finally solved them by downgrading the Nvidia driver version.

I tried gtkperf to see what figures I get. I did note that the results depend on the size of the window quite a bit.

On my workstation with an 8800GT I got 3.46 seconds at default window size and 4.08 at 1920x1200 (using mutter window manager). On my 5 year old laptop with Intel 965 graphics I got 7.30 seconds (using metacity).

I switched to Chrome years ago and its tab switching is fine.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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Did that for me as well. debian on the other hand works fine on the same hardware.

Different kernel version I suppose.

Not really. I use Debian Lenny which by default comes with 2.6.x but I've manually compiled and installed the 3.2.9 kernel. Works flawlessly.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

#65

Good job on the LTS, Canonical. I don't understand why they don't make the release cycle longer. Perhap 9 months or a year, or even just one additional month for QA. I first started using Ubuntu, and Linux, when 9.04 came out and it was great. Since then the quality has steadily declined. 9.10 was good too, but ever since 10.04 every release has sucked. They can't even do LTS releases right. Sorry for ranting, but th…

Actually, I think they'd do a lot better by making the release cycle shorter. When Firefox changed their release cycle to be much much shorter, they got a significantly improved, much more stable product. The main reason was that instead of shoving everything that they wanted to release into it, features got released when they were mature enough to go in. I think this is something Ubuntu (and almost every other OSS project) could really learn from.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

#66

This is anecdotal as well, but +1 for the freezing, Ubuntu 12.04 is unusable on my machine. Even when it's idle, it will last 12hrs at most before a hard hang, network is dead. I haven't tried to Update All The Things yet though, hoping that fixes it.

No dice. Still dead after < 12hrs of uptime.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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Death, by Ungabunga. Seriously, that really can sum it up. Linux has made a lot of inroads, but its nowhere near the stability of operating systems that spend their time "doing work" as their first priority.

Are you grouping operating systems into "linux" and "non-linux" categories, and asserting that the "linux" operating systems are nowhere near as stable? I'd strongly disagree with that.

If you compare with Solaris, AS/400, OS/390, AIX, FreeBSD, HP/UX, and a few others - Linux loses bigtime in the uptime department.

That doesn't make Linux less useful, it just hilites the maintenance required. People (MSFT mainly) use Windows to a high degree of success, they just reboot it a lot. I have a Linux system that needs to be rebooted every 3-4 days to maintain usability, I can't do anything about it because the system itself is essentially closed.

I have a lot of customers who use Linux, the ones who don't have problems mostly run CentOS. The ubuntu users always seem to have problems, although I suspect thats usually due to it being developers running systems vs ops people. The ones who run every other Linux seem pointy headed enough not to screw themselves over.

ProTip: If you break your box regularly, you are not a good sysadmin.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different kernel version I suppose.

Not really. I use Debian Lenny which by default comes with 2.6.x but I've manually compiled and installed the 3.2.9 kernel. Works flawlessly.

Indeed. I tried arch as well which uses a late 3.x kernel and it worked fine.

I reckon it's a patch somewhere. Ubuntu kernels are a right mess.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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Ubuntu releases are known to bring regression with them, that's just a fact.

As opposed to any other software which never bring regressions?

Different levels of regression. I have several Ubuntu using friends - completely normal users - who constantly need help because the Ubuntu upgrade broke.

I did a 10.04 to 12.04 upgrade on a server the other day. It also broke. Completely standard with no software installed except for Apache. No modifications done whatsoever. Upon booting into 12.04, the screen just flickers. I looked at the log (from ssh) and it had to do with vesafb or something like that. I didn't bother investigating, and did a plain 12.04 install from ISO.

Things like that, Canonical.

Re: "Ubuntu 12.04 completely freezes frequently"

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There are SO MANY people affected by these freezes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video...

12.04 release quality is the poorest since I got introduced to 8.04. First zenity problems, apd and synaptic is crashing several times a day, freezes that make you hard-reset the machine. It is overwhelming. I switched to XFCE (xubuntu) for now but otherwise mentally preparing myself for Fedora. So far no freezes with XFCE.

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