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U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by lm28469 »

a_bonobo wrote: post #52
lm28469 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the downvotes, it's a valid question imho. For example in France in 2012 they made it mandatory for every car to have 2 alcohol tests (the dumb ones, you blow in it changes color if you're above a certain threshold). A good idea right ? it's pretty cheap too no ? It turned out that the lobbyists who pushed for it were also invested in the company manufacturing 90% the alcohol tests for the french market.…

That law does not exist since 2020 as it was found not to help with drink driving accidents. https://www.thelocal.fr/20200108/france-to-finally-scrap-law...

Yes, good thing, at 1 to 2 euros a pop, times 2 tests per car, times 38m cars in France that was a lot of money for nothing

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by eesmith »

notaustinpowers wrote: post #38
millzlane wrote: post #33

I wonder when or if they will ever require drunk driving detectors or breathalyzers?

Starting in 2026 all new cars must come with passive alcohol detection systems.

If you are referring to the "ADVANCED IMPAIRED DRIVING TECHNOLOGY" section of the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act at https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3684... then I think you've misread the bill.

First, it does not require passive alcohol detection. The text allows a system which can "passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired". I think this is meant to allow systems like the one in Volvo’s EX90 electric SUV described at https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23363673/volvo-ex90-elect... ("two cameras inside the vehicle will monitor the driver’s eye behavior to determine whether they are paying attention or even perhaps impaired").

Second, 2026 is the absolute minimum. It requires first a final rule:

"Subject to subsection (e) and not later than 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule prescribing a Federal motor vehicle safety standard under section 30111 of title 49, United States Code, that requires passenger motor vehicles manufactured after the effective date of that standard to be equipped with advanced drunk and impaired driving prevention technology."

and then (assuming it is not delayed - the bill says it can be delayed for up to 10 years before sending a report to Congress):

"shall be not earlier than 2 years and not more than 3 years after the date on which that rule is issued"

Has that final rule been prescribed? Last I heard they were still testing the various options.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by matthewfelgate »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #60
matthewfelgate wrote: post #57

Why are people commenting on Hacker News so negative? This is a progressive, good idea. It will save 24,000 injuries a year. I think if Hacker News was around when seat-belts were invented there would be some looney tunes claiming it's an abuse of first amendment rights or some rubbish. The next thing should be mandatory lane keeping.

> This is a progressive, good idea. It will save 24,000 injuries a year. This is what it is promised it will do. What it will do is what it can, with the resources that are left over for development and safety - once shareholders and execs are satisfied (per scotus: Dodge vs Ford).

Sorry but your comment makes no sense.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #59
jajko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

This technology is already in 99% of all new cars sold. Are you one of those nutters who claim its safer not to wear a seatbelt?

Are you a nutter who has never hydroplaned before? Breaking during a turn is fucking dangerous especially if you dont know its gonna happen.

I really dont understand how anyone cluld think its a good idea

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

ckdarby wrote: post #51
jajko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

I am very skeptical of the claim. A driver glance down to change the station, going 110 kms, with less than 15 meters and the car in front of you full stop breaks, you are going to crash, but yet folks still continue to do it and still they believe they'd be able to stop in time even with all the experience of driving. I don't believe most drivers today would be able to pass the present driver test successfully the f…

You are also atill going to crash if you break automatically in that scenario... i dont get your point

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

alphabettsy wrote: post #47
jajko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

This hasn’t been my experience. And like anything else, turn it off if you don’t like it and don’t buy the vehicle with poorly implemented technology.

You are saying "if yoy dont like it dont participate" in response to a conversation about a feature that will be mandated.

Use your noggin

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by willcipriano »

drawkward wrote: post #45
willcipriano wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is protectionism for the voting block in Detroit. You'll see this sort of thing every 4 years. I'm guessing patents and the like have already decided who the winner of this rule is and it probably isn't automobile buyers in the US.

Even if true, who cares, if it means fewer preventable fatalities?

"If we can save one life, it's worth it" is part of the reason everything is so expensive in the US. People forget that poverty is also deadly and don't factor that into the calculation.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by rascul »

a_bonobo wrote: post #50
rascul wrote: post #28

The only experience I have with automatic emergency braking was with a large box truck several years ago. It was quite horrible, false positives often, and never was necessary. Once it braked for no apparent reason while going downhill around a turn and almost caused us to wreck since the truck didn't turn as well under heavy braking. I hope better implementations exist.

I have it in my Subaru Forrester and it's... OK? It has saved me from near collision twice, but also triggered false positives a few times. The false positives never led to actual breaking, just to the loud peeping before the breaking starts: usually triggered by a going too fast into sharp curve with a warning sign next to the curve.

> The false positives never led to actual breaking, just to the loud peeping before the breaking starts

Interesting. The one we had would not give any warning until it slammed on the brakes. I suspect it sometimes triggered on trees and signs but I don't really know what it detected in most cases.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by rascul »

alphabettsy wrote: post #47
jajko wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

This hasn’t been my experience. And like anything else, turn it off if you don’t like it and don’t buy the vehicle with poorly implemented technology.

In the truck we had with it, it couldn't be disabled. We tried pulling the fuse but then the truck wouldn't start.
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