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U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by ckdarby »

jajko wrote: post #37
rascul wrote: post #28

The only experience I have with automatic emergency braking was with a large box truck several years ago. It was quite horrible, false positives often, and never was necessary. Once it braked for no apparent reason while going downhill around a turn and almost caused us to wreck since the truck didn't turn as well under heavy braking. I hope better implementations exist.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

I am very skeptical of the claim.

A driver glance down to change the station, going 110 kms, with less than 15 meters and the car in front of you full stop breaks, you are going to crash, but yet folks still continue to do it and still they believe they'd be able to stop in time even with all the experience of driving.

I don't believe most drivers today would be able to pass the present driver test successfully the first time due to formed bad habits.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by a_bonobo »

lm28469 wrote: post #17
eimrine wrote: post #5

Do U.S. people really benefit from this kind of restriction from the Government? Seems like they are pawing their way into our property to empower themselves with all kinds of precedents.

I don't get the downvotes, it's a valid question imho. For example in France in 2012 they made it mandatory for every car to have 2 alcohol tests (the dumb ones, you blow in it changes color if you're above a certain threshold). A good idea right ? it's pretty cheap too no ? It turned out that the lobbyists who pushed for it were also invested in the company manufacturing 90% the alcohol tests for the french market.…

That law does not exist since 2020 as it was found not to help with drink driving accidents.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200108/france-to-finally-scrap-law...

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by Germanion »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #36
izacus wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please not post rants that are unrelated and unsupported to the topic at hand?

He's out of line but he's right though. EU economic growth keeps falling further and further behind the US since the post 2008 crash. Sure, we have higher quality of life, but all those social services that make that still require a growing performant economy to keep up with their rising costs, otherwise they'll have to be cut (and a lot are) or we'll have to go into a spiraling taxation and debt trap.

He is not right...

And no you don't need constantly a growing economy.

Hey our model only works if we continue growing our x every year. Do you know what it means if something grows 2% per year?

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

#54

Post by WarOnPrivacy »

marssaxman wrote: post #2

Having driven a vehicle with automatic braking, I find myself experiencing no positive feelings about this proposal.

> Having driven a vehicle with automatic braking, I find myself experiencing no positive feelings about this proposal.

This post seems useful. As in - there are really important experiences behind it that we should know about.

Or better yet, experiences that lawmakers should know about.

Or worse yet, experiences do know about and disregard because it's an election year.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by eesmith »

chomp wrote: post #35
millzlane wrote: post #33

I wonder when or if they will ever require drunk driving detectors or breathalyzers?

They already did, they’re just deciding on what exactly to use. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-age...

Note the "if the technology is ready." As I recall from the discussion here 5 months ago, the actual text includes says the decision might be delayed for up to 10 years, and if that happens then they need to make a special report to Congress about why it's taking so long.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by Rinzler89 »

Germanion wrote: post #53
Rinzler89 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's out of line but he's right though. EU economic growth keeps falling further and further behind the US since the post 2008 crash. Sure, we have higher quality of life, but all those social services that make that still require a growing performant economy to keep up with their rising costs, otherwise they'll have to be cut (and a lot are) or we'll have to go into a spiraling taxation and debt trap.

He is not right... And no you don't need constantly a growing economy. Hey our model only works if we continue growing our x every year. Do you know what it means if something grows 2% per year?

>And no you don't need constantly a growing economy.

Communism tried that and it doesn't really work well, especially now in a globalized economy when you're competing with growing economies for limited resources and who can outspend you if you're not growing more than them.

You don't need a growing economy only if you can be 100% self suficient, which virtually no country is (US comes the closest), or you're OK with getting poorer by the year and willing to reduce your standard of living accordingly to the bare essentials, like in the USSR.

>Do you know what it means if something grows 2% per year?

But do you know what it means when it doesn't?

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by matthewfelgate »

Why are people commenting on Hacker News so negative?

This is a progressive, good idea.

It will save 24,000 injuries a year.

I think if Hacker News was around when seat-belts were invented there would be some looney tunes claiming it's an abuse of first amendment rights or some rubbish.

The next thing should be mandatory lane keeping.

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Consumers: We want our cars to stop spying on us, stop conspiring w/ our insurance companies, stop distracting us with awful touch screens+controls, stop blinding other drivers, stop taking away features we bought and stop introducing endless new points of failure.

Lawmakers: ...and soon we're going to have your car start braking w/o your consent. You're welcome. Remember to vote!

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by matthewfelgate »

jajko wrote: post #37
rascul wrote: post #28

The only experience I have with automatic emergency braking was with a large box truck several years ago. It was quite horrible, false positives often, and never was necessary. Once it braked for no apparent reason while going downhill around a turn and almost caused us to wreck since the truck didn't turn as well under heavy braking. I hope better implementations exist.

Yeah this technology ain't mature in any way, 99% or 99,9% is simply not good enough to deploy anywhere en masse. Lane assists, braking, collision recognition - I've seen false positives, I've seen no reaction where there should be one. By far the safest driving for me is simply having experience and no assistants enabled, ever. I know this begs question how to get to that level, these flawed helpers can maybe statis…

This technology is already in 99% of all new cars sold.

Are you one of those nutters who claim its safer not to wear a seatbelt?

Re: U.S. to require automatic emergency braking on new vehicles in 5 years

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #57

Why are people commenting on Hacker News so negative? This is a progressive, good idea. It will save 24,000 injuries a year. I think if Hacker News was around when seat-belts were invented there would be some looney tunes claiming it's an abuse of first amendment rights or some rubbish. The next thing should be mandatory lane keeping.

> This is a progressive, good idea. It will save 24,000 injuries a year.

This is what it is promised it will do. What it will do is what it can, with the resources that are left over for development and safety - once shareholders and execs are satisfied (per scotus: Dodge vs Ford).

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