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Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by raphman »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #14
Scoundreller wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally, in any country, if your asylum/refugee claim is accepted, they won't deport you back to origin unless the situation you were escaping has resolved. (I'm guessing its generally asylum/refugee immigrants people are complaining about, not those from elsewhere in europe)

That’s unfortunate if an immigrant won’t assimilate responsibly into their host country and causes continuing harm through this policy. You’re just importing future prisoners and criminals. Refugees/immigrants/etc should be welcomed (I have sponsored refugees in the US), but violent crime must be prevented if someone runs out of chances. You need some recourse when you run out of options and people who have immigrate…

I assume you meant integrate instead of assimilate?

I definitely want immigrants to integrate in our society (and am prepared to do this when I travel into another country). But I would not expect anyone to assimilate - which to my understanding means giving up their previous culture and take on the culture of the host country.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by bad_user »

occz wrote: post #52
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

Did you also experience bomb attacks? Apparently, there were over 100 bomb attacks in Sweden this year. Our Eastern European country has twice the size of Sweden's population, and we had zero bombs going off, possibly since the 90s, as I don't remember any. Gun violence is really low here too, we barely remember any that made the news.

I'm sure that Sweden is a nice country to live in, I've visited it, seems great, but ignoring the crime wave is short-sighted, and I don't understand what “high standard” you're talking about.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by inglor_cz »

occz wrote: post #52
Throwfi44 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

I've lived several months in an area considered to be one of the worst in Sweden, zero problems whatsoever. The standard for bad in Sweden is just pretty damn high.

My friend looks basically like an Iranian (very dark wavy hair and dark eyes, but somewhat pale skin), even though he is a Czech, and lives in Stockholm. He saw blond people harassed multiple times.

He says "I am quite lucky that the worst individuals consider me 'one of their own' and leave me alone. This means that I can take the metro without any precautions. But blonde girls that work with me started preferring safer commute to the office a long time ago."

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by woodruffw »

whearyou wrote: post #27

I suspect anyone who wants to address the elephant in the room here will have to choose between accepting support from semi-fascist types or getting cancelled

And what, exactly, is the "elephant in the room"?

If this is meant to be a dogwhistle about immigration, it seems appropriate to observe that many of the countries TFA compares Sweden to (Greece, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands) have similar immigration patterns without the same violent crime rates.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by slaw »

frereubu wrote: post #55
archsurface wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This happens if you're using Cloudflare DNS: https://jarv.is/notes/cloudflare-dns-archive-is-blocked/ (Sounds like iCloud private relay may do the same for the same reasons).

Switching Firefox setting 'Enable secure DNS using:' to 'Off', instead of 'Default Protection' which is Cloudflare helped. Thank you.

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by romafirst3 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #54
romafirst3 wrote: post #10

While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.

In Sweden, the big problem are grenades smuggled in vast quantities from the Balkans. Explosions tend to be vastly less precise than shootings and unintended victims are more of a rule than an exception.

Seems there have been 77 grenade explosions resulting in 9 fatalities in 6 years with grenades in Sweden. That doesn't seem like "vast quantities".

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by tsss »

lm28469 wrote: post #9
mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

> I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. That's also the life of millions in Ukraine right now so your anecdote doesn't mean much Looking at the statistics and historical trends paint another picture, of course this isn't El Salvador, but it doesn't mean it's going in the right direction

Then maybe it's time for the thousands of Ukrainian refugees to go home already?

Re: Gang crisis shaking Sweden

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Post by patall »

Throwfi44 wrote: post #17
mrkeen wrote: post #4

The title is all this site is willing to divulge to me. I just took the train into the city, had a burger & beer, and soon I'll train back home. I have zero worries about my safety. Anyway, the Right party pulled the balance of power from the Left and formed a centre/right coalition more than a year ago, because of all the bad people coming here and doing bad things. Weren't they going to fix this?

Try to stay there for a month, in shady part of town! Current goverment is at least trying to police those places!

I lived in Hjulsta for ten months. Statistics don't get worse than that. I was usually the only white person out after dark. Twice people rang on my door in the morning because I forgot my key out in the door over night. I moved away because it was too far from my workplace. Best supermarkets in the entire town though!
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