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The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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> the flight plan was recorded on a punched tape that told the aircraft where to go, when to turn, and when to turn the sensors on and off. This is equally fascinating to me. Before each flight, someone had to generate a flight plan and punch it onto a physical tape, then load it into the plan. T No mid-flight "re-calculating route" if stuff goes wrong. One of the most interesting and under-appreciated aspects of ear…

America was not critical defeating Germany. The soviets did this one.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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post #5

Simply amazed by the fact that something similar to "star trackers" as we know them today goes back to the 60s...

um, doesn't the sextant go back much much further than the 60s?

Sextants don't track stars. They just measure altitude and leave it up to a human to line everything up, measure it correctly, time it correctly, then look up the right data in a log book.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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post #35
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The F22 had an unintentional problem of being unable to cross the international date line, which was discovered when attempting to fly from Hawaii to Japan. Given that it may very well be better to assume that anything untested doesn't work at all and to live within those restrictions.

The International Date Line and the 180-degree line of longitude have bitten a _lot_ of folks who don't think to test at the boundaries.

I was working on a program that sales managers would use to divide sales territories up between salespeople and one feature was the ability to select all territories a certain distance from a point and using the most simplistic algorithm the code would crash if the circle crosses the 180 line so we had to use a somewhat more complicated algorithm than we first thought for this, even though all of the U.S. is one one side of it

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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post #15

When I first heard of astro-nav (for missiles) I thought it was so future sounding, like star trek. But now that I do astrophotography regularly it's just another tool that I use. It's super simple to do, I can take a photo of the night sky, and if I know the focal length and pixel size of my camera I can figure out exactly where my telescope is pointed in seconds, with an accuracy 2.5 arcseconds. You can even do it…

OK. Now please do the same with a Z-80 class CPU.

Compared to the rest of the engineering, I don’t think the computation is all that hard. It doesn’t need to be that fast since you only need to do a correction maybe every 10-20 minutes or so. The math was innovative in that they invented the Kalman filter for these types of computations. You pick your star such that it’s by far the brightest one in its neighborhood. So the image processing is just finding the brightest pixel.

From what I’ve read (mostly the excellent book “Inventing Accuracy” the main challenge is very precisely aligning the telescope with the “stable member” in the gyroscope.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

#66

You can see one of these up close - both the device, and the airplane! - at the Evergreen Aerospace Museum in McMinnville, OR. They also have on display another Blackbird payload labeled DEF-H. It’s a nondescript white box which you are allowed to look at, but not allowed to know what it does. XD

You can - and this is almost as interesting - go down a waterslide from a 747 hanging from the ceiling!

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

celestial navigation is 4000 years old

I think it is waaaay older. The north star and the southern cross probably guided humans since they had some sort of consciousness. If you see the night sky every night (without distracting screens), the shapes became kind of familiar.

Nitpick: The North Star (Polaris) wasn't used over 4000 years ago:

  So now you can see why Polaris will not always be aligned with the north spin axis of the Earth - because that axis is slowly changing the direction in which it points (precession)! Right now, the Earth's rotation axis happens to be pointing almost exactly at Polaris. But in the year 3000 B.C., the North Star was a star called Thuban (also known as Alpha Draconis), and in about 13,000 years from now the precession of the rotation axis will mean that the bright star Vega will be the North Star.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

#68
post #6

Interesting that it’s not confirmed if the SR-71 flew in the Southern Hemisphere. Would be a very bold design if it didn’t and the system wasn’t designed for it.

The F22 had an unintentional problem of being unable to cross the international date line, which was discovered when attempting to fly from Hawaii to Japan. Given that it may very well be better to assume that anything untested doesn't work at all and to live within those restrictions.

There have supposedly also been avionics issues with flying at negative altitude. Israel has an airbase in the Dead Sea which is located below sea level.

https://avgeekery.com/challenge-flying-sea-level/

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably by flying above most of the atmosphere.

That makes sense. What kind of sensor does it use to track the stars though? Stars are very dim.

Stars don’t move a lot, so exposure time can be high.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

#70

> the flight plan was recorded on a punched tape that told the aircraft where to go, when to turn, and when to turn the sensors on and off. This is equally fascinating to me. Before each flight, someone had to generate a flight plan and punch it onto a physical tape, then load it into the plan. T No mid-flight "re-calculating route" if stuff goes wrong. One of the most interesting and under-appreciated aspects of ear…

America was not critical defeating Germany. The soviets did this one.

If the U.S. Navy had been tied up in the Pacific, I think it’s tough to say what would have happened on the eastern front. The Soviets were pretty dependent on U.S. aid for food, trucks, planes, etc etc. If the naval balance were shifted a lot, that aid might not have made it.
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