I wonder if this will cause any parents to give their kids up in an effort to let them attend college.
All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.
As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.
There is no reason not make it universal. A lot of kids will still bring their own lunches. Teens in high school will choose paid lunch options some of time. The program would probably have a similar cost to SNAP.
Hungry kids don't learn well, so feeding them will lead to a modest increase of academic achievement on average. Academic achievement correlates with higher earnings, thereby paying for the program with their future taxes.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#63This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
Pretty much I thought the same thing, this is the right thing to do, everybody benefits, nobody is getting less from this.
I am almost amazed how they managed to do the right thing...
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#64This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
> what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation Also, just helping them out. Nobody gets hurt. This isn't creating an allotment of seats for foster kids. The selection process, and thus odds, are the same for them and everyone else.
This is exactly correct. Fairness and equality.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.
> I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the food of those who keep my pay low. Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings? Food is cheap. Bureaucrats are not.
> Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings?
Maybe. Don't assume yes.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…
> my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher Tennessee If it's a public school, those loans should begin falling off after five years and be forgiven after ten [1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/teacher-student...
IIRC PSLF originally required not ten years of elapsed time but rather 120 sequential on-time payments in full under a qualifying repayment plan, where "on-time" was determined by the loan servicer. And you had to keep working beyond that time until the application was approved (most were rejected) and processed (probably as quickly as government departments usually operate.)
Loan servicers had every incentive to thwart this by declaring payments late or incomplete, steering borrowers into forbearance or non-qualifying repayment plans, etc.
As you can imagine, fewer than 1% of applicants successfully had their loans discharged.
They've been trying to fix things since the pandemic for people who consolidate to a federal direct loan.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...
I love this policy. If it's free then no-one brings their own, and no-one is looked down at. BUT... I checked the menu of a school where I used to live... Pizza, hot dogs, fries... We can make the most delicious vegetables, roasted, ... And they get carbs. Nutrition taken from nature decomposed in its elemental components put back together for the perfect addictive meal...
I’m not opposed to the carbs. I think if they’re in a whole food form, the kids are so much better off than if they’re eating processed… Anything.
Not teaching kids to eat whole foods is one of the greatest assaults on public health we’ve done in the last century, from what I can see. They become adults who normalize eating these perfect addictive meals, who allow their own kids access to the same junk, and then they their own kids as well, and so on. Until today when grocery stores are quite literally predominately food that you shouldn’t eat. You just shouldn’t.
Most common diseases in north America are highly correlated with diet. I find that so profound. We’re all eating ourselves to death in some form or another, it seems. To have that start in a public school is a real affront to individual and social well-being.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#68This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
I do not understand why it should be limited to foster kids. Just make the schools free for all, and collect with higher marginal income / wealth taxes. It should not be dependent on parents’ status either. I got zero aid due to my parents, but I also got zero from my parents.
If it's all free, it'll be just like the public school system.
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#69It's odd that many of the same people cheering this decision are the same ones crying for meritocracy in the workplace. Handouts and free passes as long as you're characterized by $some_immutable_trait? Then don't be upset when you're passed over for a promotion to fulfill a company diversity promotion threshold.
"Foster child" is no more an immutable trait than "lack of ability to speak French."
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
All school lunches and breakfasts should be free. It is abhorrent that any child in a country as rich as the United States should go hungry at school.
As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.
The number of ruling elite is laughably small compared to the number of poor in the United States