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OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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Honestly? I think the agenda is less specifically "woke" and more specifically trying to be bland and inoffensive for its' primary intended use (front-facing support bots, etc). They don't want another Erin Esurance on their hands.

Exactly. Scientifically speaking, the author of the blog post is unattractive. Users don't want to hear that, so the language model has been conditioned accordingly.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism. Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective. The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white pe…

> The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white people in a majority non white country (Africa, China, whatever) it still told me I had to respect people of colours opinions and ideas, inferring that it was the apex of solving this issue. Here the color to be listened to would presumably be the white. Similar to how in Stasi-controlled East Germany the intellectual elite was right-w…

Language models never take anything into account. All they do is pick the most probable next word or phrase given the words that came before it, as demonstrated by the sample inputs they have been trained on.

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That is still considered racism. Don't shoot the messenger. You can read up on how the concept of whiteness fits in on your own time.

Even more absurd. There are no Indians who are white in any sense of the word.

I don't know about India, but races/racial terms like "white" are culturally defined. E.g. apparently Americans (sometimes?) refer to Pacific Islanders as "black"? That's absurd to me.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism. Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective. The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white pe…

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Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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The evidence here is incredibly weaksauce. I spent 5 minutes trying to reread a gpt3 summary of right wing social theory & it basically seemed to do it without bias & faithfully. The author seemed to say it was doing ok but injected commentary, but frankly it want there. The article concludes with as example of an AI unwilling to say what a previous AI hallucinated, by having a polite & pleasant non answer to a disgu…

> > what hip to waist ratio is most attractive to american men > a disgusting question about the ideal female body ok

What? That was really the "disgusting" question? What is going on here?

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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"Did you train the model using real world data?" "Yes. We want the model to be useful in real world applications." "Then it is biased. The model is biased because data it was trained on was generated by people and people are biased. There is no such thing as an 'objective' model, just a model that is biased in a different way."

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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FBI stats of crime per capita of racial groups.

So essentially, it doesn't want to get involved in racism and tells you do go look for it yourself. How is that bad?

Because this thing might be the next place where people go to look for themselves.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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I had a good laugh when I asked how to get rid of racism and it kept saying I needed to listen to people of colour and respect their opinions because they were disproportionately affected due to systemic racism. Bare in mind I didn't mention which perspective this was supposed to be from. It just assumed the woke American perspective. The funny thing was, even when I specified how to eliminate racism against white pe…

Isn’t this just obviously a result of the fact that there isn’t much literature on racism in China on the internet or academic papers? This is not a reflection of openAI. This is a reflection of the failure of China to confront its own racism, and a reflection of the success of the U.S. to at least start the conversation on the racism within the US. It’s fascinating to me that China’s failure to even acknowledge its…

Common man, you started your comment well, but you end up just discrediting yourself with your meme text at the end.

This site is for dialogue not flinging shit.

Re: OpenAI's Woke Catechism

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Even more absurd. There are no Indians who are white in any sense of the word.

I don't know about India, but races/racial terms like "white" are culturally defined. E.g. apparently Americans (sometimes?) refer to Pacific Islanders as "black"? That's absurd to me.

It's all absurd. There is no biological basis for any of it. The concept of "whiteness" was invented to justify enslaving "non-white" people for profit. Full stop. Who is considered white has changed over time, mostly by slow expansion as groups seek to gain the priviledges associated with it.

Again there is a broad wealth of literature about this written from all kinds of perspectives from the time when slavery was formally the law of the land until today. It's quite disappointing that some people feel so threatened by the historical record and thereby deny themselves the opportunity to learn.

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