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US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no possible way to make an inflation number that works for one person, let alone a whole country. The best you can do is have a statistic that you stay with and compare.

Ludwig Von Mises is sitting in his grave saying: I told you it was all relative.

Lol!

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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The fast food item that was $1 and is now $1.19 — when was that $1 price originally set? Presumably it had held the $1 price for longer than just a year.

So this argument doesn't really belong in a discussion about annual inflation.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

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post #48

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Why is this downvoted ?

Because it’s antisocial behavior? Reflexively casting doubt (without a counter-argument) on a number that the BLS has been publishing for decades using a transparent methodology isn’t helpful. This number isn’t the “how much am I spending on groceries” number, it’s a much larger snapshot of the price levels across multiple industries. Nobody thinks it’s perfect, but it’s consistent . You might not believe it, but Wal…

I don't think suggesting that governments put out economic numbers which make them look better is "antisocial behavior".

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#64

RANT: This inflation and coming recession is entirely on the hands of the current leadership in the Fed and Treasury. Their super-low interest rates over the years are coming full circle. We live in a centrally planned economy. My advice to the Fed is to set the Fed Funds Rate to equal inflation! This will stop the wild swings in the economy and keep inflation in check. When the Fed Funds Rate is lower than inflation…

Yeah....and the inflation we're seeing elsewhere in the world is just a coincidence.

EU had negative interest rates for a decade. Low interest rates during the good times is definitely a mistake You end up paying for eventually

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#65

The US has it easy, since the inflation was largely caused by lockdown stimulus, and also benefits from being the global reserve currency so it can leverage cheap imports as the interest rate rises increase the value of USD. I wouldn't be surprised if it's better in a few months, especially with the growing protectionism in the anti-inflation act, etc. and acts against Chinese competition, etc. keeping more industry…

There was no Anti-Inflation Act, there was a spending... SPENDING bill they claimed would lower inflation because it also included a very limited amount of deficit reduction which 1 week later they had spent like 3 times on new programs including the Student Loan Cancellation which reversed any inflation reduction the original bill could have had (which was nill in the first place)

How did student loan cancellation reverse inflation reduction when it's on hold due to legal challenges? No one has received a penny.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#66

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According to the Arizona Ice Tea index, there has been NO inflation.

Costco Hot Dog feels the same.

I know you're both joking, but the Big Mac is a global product, unlike both of those.

So despite it still being a joke indicator, it does tell us something useful (which is a sort super rough cost of living indicator).

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#67
Isolated data points aren't really worth analyzing - something like a running 6-month average makes more sense. See this 2009 blog post on how to inflation-adjust current prices/revenues to those from decades before:

> "For this exercise, we’ll use the annual average CPI-U values for 1973 (44.4) and 2008 (215.303). Because the CPI-U includes relatively volatile items such as food and fuel, I tend to avoid the monthly values with their fluctuations. If you want to adjust to the most recent data available, consider averaging the most recent six months of CPI-U values."

https://anthonydebarros.com/2009/11/01/adjusting-for-inflati...

This is similar to analyzing climate trends, where you really want to look at 5-year running averages (possibly 10-year). Generally, 'response time of the system to forcing' is what matters, in both cases.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#69

For those who were wondering if we would officially be in a recession after November 8 elections, the answer is still "no".

GDP grew +2% in Q3, after declining in Q1 and Q2. Gross Domestic Income (similar to GDP but measured differently) grew consistently the entire year. And unemployment rate has declined consistently every single month and stands at 3.57%. I think it would be hard to thread a needle to call any part of YTD 2022 as a recession with this kind of fact pattern. Only if unemployment rate starts to increase in a dramatic way can we really go back and say we were in a recession this year.

Re: US annual inflation declines to 7.7% in October vs. 7.9% expected

#70
post #31

It bears repeating because this is a common mistake in inflation discussions: a decrease in inflation metrics means price increases are slowing down, it doesn’t mean that prices are going down (that would require a negative CPI print). Also, this number is year over year, so the decrease just means the price increases between Oct 21 and Oct 22 are not as steep as between Sept 21 to Sept 22, which is not hard to achie…

Also it is worth mentioning that part of the major reason accounting for inflation is car price. It’s going down now as chip makers produce more and prices go down further.
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