NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

I think people would be more willing to accept this if the application process was not such a complete cluster fuck 99% of the time.

So many sites want you to upload a resume, and then also re-type the whole thing into some clunky form so that the company can seemingly index it or search it or whatever

Then after your resume has been randomly selected for review you get to waste more time with useless recruiters and/or HR people for some kind of preliminary screening process that makes little sense.

If you're lucky enough to actually start to enter a real interview process you can plan to sink another 2-8 hours of your time before the discussion of salary ranges is even remotely danced around.

Finally, after a ton of hassle you learn that the company wishes to pay approximately minimum wage for this position and wants to pay you in IOU's, bottle caps, or gift vouchers (only a slight exaggeration sometimes).

If a company cannot give a salary range that is even +/- 20%, perhaps they're not actually ready to make a job posting and invite people to hopelessly waste their time on the application process.

> The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone.

Then they need better data. A great way to get that would be looking at all the other job listings with salary ranges if they don't already have access to back channel data.

> It is also true that a single job ad might be aiming to employ a number of people at various positions of seniority and experience.

Then it should be multiple listings with different requirements, even if the only difference is years of experience.

> So it does not surprise me that governments would legislate to require job ads to do the same - essentially because of ignorance about how the world works.

The way the government does it is more equitable, so it makes sense that they are trying to legislate that to the private sector.

> If it makes you mad that job ads do not list salary, then there are good reasons and you will just have to get over or it not apply for that job. It's that easy - if the ad doesn't specify salary and that is a key requirement for you, don't get angry, just don't apply.

This is exactly the problem. If they aren't required to list it, they won't. And this is harmful to people who aren't good negotiators. And also harmful to women and minorities, as countless studies have shown they are chronically underpaid in large part because they aren't willing or able to negotiate.

That's why there is a push to force companies to list the salaries.

> Far more important is to know the salary target that you are aiming for.

You're right! The best way for me to know what salary to target is with lots of data about how much similar jobs pay. A great way to get that is job listings with salary ranges, since I don't have access to data like the person offering the job does.

As an employee, sounds like not my fuckin problem. I'm not about to go through 3 phone screens, a take-home test, a full-day onsite, etc. just for the privilege to be low-balled or even worse denied.

> I think it will be about $X

Oh! So looks like it's not that hard to ball-park a number off the top of your head. I don't get this "how the world really works" junk. How the world "really works" right now is that job searchers are having their time wasted and don't have tools to determine what the market for various positions looks like. For work that apparently amounts to texting the on-staff recruiter I couldn't care less.

> if the ad doesn't specify salary...just don't apply.

So all job postings before these laws have been put into effect? Looks like someone doesn't understand how the world really works.

RTFA. The job range has to be "in good faith" if the job posting encompasses a range of experience levels, that's allowed. The range just has to be "in good faith". That's such a low bar to clear and from your own hypothetical the work required from the employer is basically nil.