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Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Well, kudos for being devoted to his business(es), but how much is he bringing to the table during each of those 8-hour periods?

If I was working 16-hour days every day, I'm almost certain I'd be less productive than if I was working 'normal' or even reduced-hour days.

Maybe he's just _that_ energetic, but my ability to get meaningful work done is not an endless fount. Downtime is important.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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The U.S. has nothing like that for salaried employees.

IANAL, but I believe the law is slightly more nuanced than that: http://www.dol.gov/compliance/topics/wages-overtime-pay.htm Overtime doesn't apply to a number of class of workers (including executive, administration, professional, outside sales, and computer related workers). And I believe you could read "professional" as "anyone with a college degree working a white-collar job". Having said that, you're essentially…

I believe "professional" effectively means "salaried". Salaried employees generally don't get overtime.

Details are in a page linked from the parent (see Learned Professional Exemption):

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17d_profess...

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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That's exactly what I was thinking while reading this. The person who wrote this article just sees things at the surface, and lacks any insight/depth into the long term consequences. Jack Dorsey may be a freak, but for most people, working this long leads to mental breakdowns, and health problems. It makes for great journalism, but that's about all.

Agreed. I see a lot of articles that scare me lately. They make it sound like business owners should do these things. These stories are the exception, not the rule.

Building companies as successful as Twitter and Square are also the exception, not the rule.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Four-hour work week? Work smarter, not harder? I just don't buy those kind of ideologies if you really believe your idea will change the world. If you want a lifestyle business that provides for you and your next of kin, more power to you. And if that's the route you take, please stop trying to convenience everyone your path to enlightenment is the right way. For awhile, I found that whole movement to be quasi-religi…

My experience is that it more or less depends on your goals. I tried to do the 4 hour workweek thing and it worked... kind of. As others noted, it probably is possible to support yourself in a frugal lifestyle in 4 hours, but you're still left with the question of what to do with the other hours of the day. I've seen enough startups up close now to pretty confidently say that if you want to succeed in the startup world, its gonna take some 100 hour weeks. So, if you want to do a startup, you'd better make sure you love what you're doing.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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How many hours would they expect him to put in normally?

I don't think it would be the hours as much as the mental focus. When I get done working for 8 hours, I'm usually with my family about an hour and a half before I can mentally break away from what I've been doing all day, and some nights my mind will always be on my tasks no matter how hard I try to refocus. Imagine going from 1 high pressure 8 hours job to another with only a 2 block walk between them, maybe lunch.…

I find it is significantly easier to work two eight hour jobs than it is to work one sixteen hour job. The context switch is refreshing.

Unlike Dorsey, I have never attempted to maintain that schedule over the long haul, but over periods of time at least, it is not as difficult as it sounds.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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IANAL, but I believe the law is slightly more nuanced than that: http://www.dol.gov/compliance/topics/wages-overtime-pay.htm Overtime doesn't apply to a number of class of workers (including executive, administration, professional, outside sales, and computer related workers). And I believe you could read "professional" as "anyone with a college degree working a white-collar job". Having said that, you're essentially…

I believe "professional" effectively means "salaried". Salaried employees generally don't get overtime. Details are in a page linked from the parent (see Learned Professional Exemption): http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/fairpay/fs17d_profess...

If you're a learned professional (matching all of the three criteria on the page - one of which is salaried), artist/creative, teacher, law/medicine practioner, or are highly compensated (making > $100,000/year) overtime doesn't apply to you.

At least, that's what I got out of the page.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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This is not something to be idolized. Maybe it works for Jack, or maybe it's really exaggerated but there are going to be people reading this that are going to want to try it. I feel bad for those people. Your first instinct is to think that you can't succeed without killing yourself. Then you figure out that if you're killing yourself youve forgotten why you started to begin with.

I think you succeed by being better than enough other people. If there are enough people this good willing to make that sort of sacrifice, it just makes it that much harder for the competition to keep up.

That might be true but hes not doing this alone. Hes the one making the decisions and the strategy but Square has >100 employees and Twitter has like what ? 600 ? This would be true if a big percentage of all the employees would be putting in these kind of hours, but i highly doubt thats the case. Also it doesnt factor in luck, which is a big part of startup success. Could Jack have pulled off Square as a nobody without the help of twitter ? I guess not. You could have started a Square Competitor at the same time as him, working even harder with all your people and even if you had the better product, you most probably wouldnt have won.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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pfft... All I see in the article are 8 unproductive hours every day. Research has shown that humans really don't need 8hrs sleep to work at their optimal best and 4-5 hrs of sleep should be more than enough. He could use those extra 4 hrs every to further develop the companies or even better try launch another startup on the side. Also walking 2 blocks every day between the two companies? That seems a waste of time w…

Research has shown that humans really don't need 8hrs sleep to work at their optimal best and 4-5 hrs of sleep should be more than enough.

Citation please? It's my understanding that losing even 1 hour of sleep a night will add up over time and cause all sorts of cognitive problems.

Re: Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square daily

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Jack Dorsey does 8 hours at Twitter, 8 hours at Square, 0 hours at life, daily. In other words Jack is free to do whatever he likes, but it is not a good example for most of us. I'll cite a very short poetry by a Sicilian poet called Salvatore Quasimodo: "Everyone stands alone on the heart of the earth / transfixed by a ray of sunshine / and it is suddenly night"

Can anyone from Square or Twitter confirm this work schedule?

Did you really just ask that question? Unless somebody says: "Yes, and he even work more" you are not gonna get someone saying "No he doesn't work that much".
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