Good for him.
Regardless of whether or not it's sustainable, I simply do not want that type of lifestyle. If I'm not as "successful" because of that, so be it.
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#42This is not something to be idolized. Maybe it works for Jack, or maybe it's really exaggerated but there are going to be people reading this that are going to want to try it. I feel bad for those people. Your first instinct is to think that you can't succeed without killing yourself. Then you figure out that if you're killing yourself youve forgotten why you started to begin with.
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#43Note that this means he gives much less to each company than any startup founder I know.
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#44Four-hour work week? Work smarter, not harder? I just don't buy those kind of ideologies if you really believe your idea will change the world. If you want a lifestyle business that provides for you and your next of kin, more power to you. And if that's the route you take, please stop trying to convenience everyone your path to enlightenment is the right way. For awhile, I found that whole movement to be quasi-religi…
If I recall correctly, Four Hour Workweek doesn't say you can change the world in four hours a week. It specifically describes how a "lifestyle business" can provide for you and let you travel many days out of the year.
You recall correctly. The key takeaway from that book (from my perspective) is that you can make enough money to sustain yourself doing as minimal work as possible that lets you do what you want with your time. If you want to travel and sip wine with your time, go for it. Or, you can start an exciting new business in your free time without sacrificing all your cash flow and taking huge risks.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
The key word of your post is "sustain". You may be doing it now, but the cost of the 16 hour days is going to take it's toll.
Doable if you don't have a family or care to hang out with friends. The key is really to work with your friends so work doesn't feel like work.
There's also significant variation (apparently biological) in how much sleep per night people need. If you're one of the people who can get by fine with 5 hrs/night of sleep, you have almost 20% more awake time over someone who needs 8 hrs/night to maintain the same alertness.
(You can also try to modify it via caffeine or other drugs. I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but apparently many of the people historically known for their superhuman workhours were heavy amphetamine users--- Winston Churchill, Ayn Rand, Paul Erdős.)
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#46This is not something to be idolized. Maybe it works for Jack, or maybe it's really exaggerated but there are going to be people reading this that are going to want to try it. I feel bad for those people. Your first instinct is to think that you can't succeed without killing yourself. Then you figure out that if you're killing yourself youve forgotten why you started to begin with.
That's exactly what I was thinking while reading this. The person who wrote this article just sees things at the surface, and lacks any insight/depth into the long term consequences. Jack Dorsey may be a freak, but for most people, working this long leads to mental breakdowns, and health problems. It makes for great journalism, but that's about all.
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#47Poor guy, someday I hope he doesn't have to do that. It makes me a little sick to see some people idolize this.
Agreed. We all have to remember we're not Jack Dorsey. A year ago I might have actually tried to emulate this. Experience tells me unless it's coming naturally it's a kamikaze mission. I totally respect mr. Dorsey, I just hope to god the naive don't get a hold of this article and start copying the 16 hour work day part.
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#49This is not something to be idolized. Maybe it works for Jack, or maybe it's really exaggerated but there are going to be people reading this that are going to want to try it. I feel bad for those people. Your first instinct is to think that you can't succeed without killing yourself. Then you figure out that if you're killing yourself youve forgotten why you started to begin with.
That's exactly what I was thinking while reading this. The person who wrote this article just sees things at the surface, and lacks any insight/depth into the long term consequences. Jack Dorsey may be a freak, but for most people, working this long leads to mental breakdowns, and health problems. It makes for great journalism, but that's about all.
Agreed. I see a lot of articles that scare me lately. They make it sound like business owners should do these things. These stories are the exception, not the rule.
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#50I posted this in the other thread about his hours:
Being a manager and accutely aware of legal ramifications of hours worked (boring I know), does anyone have any insight into whether there is something in the US akin to the European Worktime Directive? Over here (UK, but the E.U as a whole) the average working week is 40 hours by law, and the worker must opt in to be eligble to work upto a maximum of 70 hours per week. As well as this 70 hour maximum, 11 hours must be taken between end of work one day and start of work the next, and an entire 24 hour period of non-work must be taken once every 7 days, or alternativley a period of 48 hours of non-work must be taken in a 14 day period.
Any comments?