Cuba about to adopt the most progressive family law in the world

Post by pastacacioepepe » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 6:27 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #46

notch656a wrote: post #30

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Earlier you praised democracy being the system by which the "population" decides "their own political matters." You go on to cite this democratic system where "46,000 neighborhood meetings" determine family law as being exemplary citizenship involvement and democratic process. Then you take a viewpoint (legalize polymarous marriage, basically) that goes against the democratic majority in the US and Cuba. Wanting to f…

Human rights aren’t something that should be voted on.

Post by trasz » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 8:37 PM UTC

notch656a wrote: post #56

trasz wrote: post #53

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We're only now discovering that a significant chunk of society is not cis, because we've been forcing them to hide this fact over the past centuries because of religious anachronisms. Why assume it's different with polyandry?

I'm willing to be proven wrong, but it seems fairy reasonable to assume if a strong pattern emerges across a variety of different disjoint and poorly connected traditional societies with unique religious systems, that the pattern isn't likely to be explained away by simply pointing to recent (past few centuries) religious anachronisms. Of course if a pattern were to emerge in the vast majority of religions across tim…

Post by decebalus1 » Tue, Jun 07, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

cuteboy19 wrote: post #31

_dw7s wrote: post #27

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> abysmal record of gay rights in communist systems I think things are more nuanced (and interesting) than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights For example: > In 1962, the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic decriminalized same-sex sexual intercourse after scientific research from Kurt Freund led to the conclusion that homosexual orientation cannot be changed. Meanwhile, in USA: > In 1962 Illinoi…

Presumably getting purged for being "Trotskyist-zionist-titoist-bourgeois-nationalist traitors" is considered a better option than being purged for being gay? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_Socialist_Repub...

Post by Sir_Burpalot » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 2:03 AM UTC

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #58

theonlybutlet wrote: post #29

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That's a strawman and nobody is abolishing your civil rights. Civil rights don't mean you can do whatever you want.

> That's a strawman The fallacy is to say that we can't have legalized polyamory because it's negative for the children, while we allow sistemic issues to have a much greater negative effect on said children. > and nobody is abolishing your civil rights Hello Texas? What are we even talking about? > Civil rights don't mean you can do whatever you want. I never said this, but if you needed to remind yourself of it go…

Post by pastacacioepepe » Wed, Jun 08, 2022, 9:08 AM UTC

Sir_Burpalot wrote: post #67

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #58

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> That's a strawman The fallacy is to say that we can't have legalized polyamory because it's negative for the children, while we allow sistemic issues to have a much greater negative effect on said children. > and nobody is abolishing your civil rights Hello Texas? What are we even talking about? > Civil rights don't mean you can do whatever you want. I never said this, but if you needed to remind yourself of it go…

While I don't necessarily agree with your stance about systemic issues, I would like to point out that solving them would take a lot more work than simply not legalising polygamy, and I don't see why we should neglect taking measures we are actually capable of implementing in favour of a pipe dream that might never be implemented.