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$3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I mean that was the expected outcome and now people are like “proof of the expected outcome!?!” Following months of outcry about the unsustainable nature of Terra Luna, Do Kwon through his foundation tried to partially collateralize the stablecoin with bitcoin, with a goal of buying up to $10bn of bitcoin. He got $3-5bn (at the time, price changed a lot), and this prolonged the confidence system for one additional mo…

>So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges It matters a lot. The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. If they concentrated their usage of the reserves to keep the peg earlier, possibly anyone selling below $1 would take an immediate loss and no noticeable depeg would even happ…

> The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof.

What would it change to have that information? Afaict none of this is regulated in any regard so if that happened, would there be any impact what so ever?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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I mean that was the expected outcome and now people are like “proof of the expected outcome!?!” Following months of outcry about the unsustainable nature of Terra Luna, Do Kwon through his foundation tried to partially collateralize the stablecoin with bitcoin, with a goal of buying up to $10bn of bitcoin. He got $3-5bn (at the time, price changed a lot), and this prolonged the confidence system for one additional mo…

The guy was running a blatant Ponzi scheme (20% risk free yoy return for anyone investing in a 'stable' coin is a Ponzi), and it's the fourth time he's tried this (it's the first time it grew to multiple billions).

He's not stupid, he's just a predator, and just like any other predator, belongs in prison.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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>So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges It matters a lot. The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. If they concentrated their usage of the reserves to keep the peg earlier, possibly anyone selling below $1 would take an immediate loss and no noticeable depeg would even happ…

> The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. What would it change to have that information? Afaict none of this is regulated in any regard so if that happened, would there be any impact what so ever?

In Singapore? Maybe that's not where some relevant parties are. I'm not a lawyer. I'm sure there are more things in this world that can cause impact besides existing regulation though.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges It matters a lot. The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. If they concentrated their usage of the reserves to keep the peg earlier, possibly anyone selling below $1 would take an immediate loss and no noticeable depeg would even happ…

> The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. What would it change to have that information? Afaict none of this is regulated in any regard so if that happened, would there be any impact what so ever?

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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This is a dry run of the Tether (USDT) collapse.

Tether is atleast supported with real world assets (USD/bonds etc). The amount and quality of the assets might be debatable but it can't go into a death spiral to zero like Luna and UST.

It can go into a death spiral. If confidence in Tether wanes, AND Tether is holding underperforming "cash equivalents", Tether can go to zero overnight.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

> Also, “In a sense, the market is going to take that as kind of bullish.” - a.k.a. the standard 'this is good for bitcoin' quote, applicable whatever the news is! Yes all weekend I had been wondering and cautious based on how much bitcoin was left to sell! Its just a commodity, supply can be faster than demand, specifically when one whale is expected to flood the market Terra Luna rallied 500x (50,000%) off the lows…

There are lots of scenarios where the Luna becomes somewhat valuable again. A truly major crypto coin like Luna has never truly disappeared. Probably someone will make a fork like "Luna Classic." There are lots of these things (ETH classic, Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin SV) that have zero rationale for existing, but are still traded with a high valuation.

tl;dr people will attempt to reflate their bags; some moderate success cannot be ruled out.

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #42

I mean that was the expected outcome and now people are like “proof of the expected outcome!?!” Following months of outcry about the unsustainable nature of Terra Luna, Do Kwon through his foundation tried to partially collateralize the stablecoin with bitcoin, with a goal of buying up to $10bn of bitcoin. He got $3-5bn (at the time, price changed a lot), and this prolonged the confidence system for one additional mo…

>So it doesnt matter whether we get records from exchanges It matters a lot. The rumor mill has it LFG directly rescued a few whales in the first sign of crisis. This is a very serious accusation I'd urge no one proclaim without definite proof. If they concentrated their usage of the reserves to keep the peg earlier, possibly anyone selling below $1 would take an immediate loss and no noticeable depeg would even happ…

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Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure we'll have an orderly audit and accounting for the loss of funds as adjudicated by the appropriate courts!

By 2032? We need new songs, “you just got Do Kwon’d” instead of “Mt Goxxed”

I remember getting Zhou Tong'd. I think that was the first song trend: Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1qooBzE2w

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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post #4

"Sold" It's hard to show that they really sold these coins. Certainly, the LFG transferred the coins to some different exchanges. But did they truly sell them? If I was running a dodgy ponzi scheme and saw it collapsing catastrophically, I don't think I'd be throwing good money after bad trying to futilely patch it up. Much better to stash the remaining assets away somewhere and personally cash out later on. Also, “I…

> 'this is good for bitcoin'

A total ponzi scam coin crashed. This IS good for Bitcoin. Bitcoin is not Luna nor is it one of the thousands of other garbage scam coins. The faster those coins are proven scams the better.

Too many people falsely equate "Bitcoin === Crypto".. or "a fan of bitcoin is a fan of all crypto".

So I'd bounce this back to you: How is Luna's Ponzi crash NOT good for bitcoin?

Re: $3B in Bitcoin was sold in a last-ditch attempt to save UST from collapse

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> The current bubble is definitely over though Why do you say “over”? I see BTC reaching $20k this summer and then falling to <$10k as miners fold.

Why would miners folding cause Bitcoin to drop in value? The same amount of Bitcoin will be mined no matter what.

Miners are also large holders of Bitcoin in addition to mining and those bitcoins are likely leverage then to buy equipment.

As the bitcoin price drops , they will have more margin calls and new coins are not that profitable. You can expect lot of mining sales to happen and orders get fullfilled as selling the equipment becomes more attractive.

Some of the smaller/more leveraged ones will definitely fail at long term prices of say 20k or less .

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