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There Is No CD Revival

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Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by chha »

marcodiego wrote: post #49
mtts wrote: post #27

The revival we need, urgently, is of recorded music income Why? That ship has sailed. In 2022, as in 1922, 1822, 1722 etc musicians will have to earn their income by playing live.

I think the last recent time musicians had to play live often to get income was during the peak of file sharing networks. Now that everybody is willing to pay for services like spotify to listen to their music, live concerts are becoming rare again.

Musicians need to play live now more than ever to make an income; the sale of physical records are going downwards and have been doing so for the past 20 years. [1]

Unless you happen to be amongst the absolute minority of people having a hit single on your hand or a popular back catalogue, you can't expect to make a lot of money from online streams. Several sources [2][3] report that Spotify pays around 0.003 USD per stream on average. Supposedly your musics share of everything streamed in a given month will also impact the actual payout.

[1] - https://gloriousnoise.com/2022/data-2021-total-music-sales-a... [2] - https://subjekt.no/2020/08/09/som-musiker-er-det-nesten-umul... (Norwegian) [3] - https://www.orpheusaudioacademy.com/spotify-pay/

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by Tao332 »

z3c0 wrote: post #11

This take seems very slanted towards new CD sales. I listen to a lot of underground music (namely black metal, hip-hop, and the like), and not only are CD's selling out regularly, so are cassettes. Once they've sold out, they hit Discogs and Ebay at severe markups that people are happy to pay. Several CD's that I've bought in the past few years have compounded many times over in value, as the supply can be very limit…

> Once they've sold out, they hit Discogs and Ebay at severe markups that people are happy to pay.

No one is happy to pay a scalper.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by daveoc64 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #46
michaelmrose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying…

In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright. Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary. Not saying it will happen, but seems…

Or you could have just put the CD into your PC to listen to the music, and it downloaded the metadata for on-screen use only?

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by spacexsucks »

bigiain wrote: post #5
oofabz wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That used to be true, but these days there are many sites selling legal FLAC downloads, like HDtracks, Qobuz, Bandcamp, and Bleep.

While that's true, those don't come close too having the range of music I'd like to own.

With streaming, you own nothing

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Post by lc9er »

Jaruzel wrote: post #45

I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry. However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any ti…

I’m right there with you. When possible, I still buy a band’s CD. I absolutely love having a CD in hand, being able to appreciate that bands still think about album artwork.

I also find that when I commit to listening to physical media, I’m more likely to listen to the whole thing through, rather than cherry picking songs.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by iggldiggl »

chrisseaton wrote: post #6
dusted wrote: post #2

Many times, buying the CD and ripping it to FLAC* is the only way to legally acquire* music for use with your computer. * It must be lossless and high quality. * It must work offline.

Apple Music and iTunes are lossless, high quality (often higher than a CD as they have multi-channel masters) and work offline, for example.

> iTunes [is] lossless

Is it? As far as I know, lossless is only offered for the Apple Music streaming service, but not for downloads from the iTunes store, which remain as 256K AAC files.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by michaelmrose »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #46
michaelmrose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying…

In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright. Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary. Not saying it will happen, but seems…

So we start with a wronged party like a copyright owner. They ask a service that is likely in a different country for all the info on the people who looked up metadata of ip they own and don't get laughed out of court.

Then they demand that isps all over the country give names and addresses of people all over the UK that broke no law and did no wrong in hopes of conducting a fishing expedition and don't get laughed out of court.

Now they know who pays the bill for each home network but have no idea who actually downloaded the perfectly legal metadata and no way whatsoever to correlate the data of unknown users of the data with potentially unnamed buyers who legally purchased mp3s from multiple channels like Apple but you think a judge is going to let you paw through every computer in someone's home because you think they probably ripped a cd instead of downloading it on itunes 6 years ago on a different computer at a different address.

Does this sound real?

Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Post by michaelmrose »

throwaway0x7E6 wrote: post #43
michaelmrose wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying…

they wouldn't go after nobodies, that's true. but if you're an inconvenient person for the powers that be, you may very well have the book get thrown at you.

Why hasn't this happened in decades?
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