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There Is No CD Revival

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Re: There Is No CD Revival

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Many times, buying the CD and ripping it to FLAC* is the only way to legally acquire* music for use with your computer. * It must be lossless and high quality. * It must work offline.

FYI not this format shifting was legal in the UK but was made illegal again (a few years back), seemingly at the request of media companies.

Programmes like iTunes appear to be unlawful as they enable and encourage this infringement.

UK copyright law isn't fit for it's alleged purpose.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#42
post #2

Many times, buying the CD and ripping it to FLAC* is the only way to legally acquire* music for use with your computer. * It must be lossless and high quality. * It must work offline.

Making a COPY from the CD to your computer is not legal us unless you have a license that allows you to do so.

Depends on your jurisdiction.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#43
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel free to post it. I don't promise to read it myself but probably someone reading this is sufficiently interested in copyright law to read further.

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying…

they wouldn't go after nobodies, that's true. but if you're an inconvenient person for the powers that be, you may very well have the book get thrown at you.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#44
post #40

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It depends on the jurisdiction. I don't know what the status is in the US, but copies for personal use are legal in the Netherlands. In fact, you actually pay a "private copying levy" for most devices capable of storing media (blank CDs, hard drives, phones, etc.) Looks like there's something similar in a number of other European countries, but I don't know the details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_l…

Here in the UK, it's currently illegal - the High Court ruled in favour of the Musicians Union back 2015, and it's yet to be overturned (again). The distinction is, that while it's NOT illegal to copy a CD to another format, it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it, be it music, spoken word, written documents, videos or photos etc.

>it IS illegal to make a copy of something that has someone else's copyright on it

That can't be true.

It would mean doing backups are effectively illegal (can only backup your own files, not programs or the OS or any other files not created by oneself)

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#45
I still buy Music CDs. Why? Because once I have the disc in my hand, no-one can legally take it away from me. I can enjoy the contents legally until I'm dead, all for a single one-off payment with no-expiry.

However, my households use of streaming media (mainly Spotify) has increased for 'casual' listening, so I think there is a balance, and I hope that buying physical media for music wont disappear completely any time soon.

All my CDs (over 1,000 of popular/rock/metal and about 400 of classical, at the last count) are ripped in a lossless format, and on my file server, to be enjoyed in a modern way. I do dislike jewel cases, and all my CDs (and inlays etc.) have been re-homed into archival bags, which take up a lot less space. I think while CDs (and DVDs, and Blu-rays) are still being sold, they should 100% shift to carboard packaging instead of plastic.

I know I'm showing my age, but there's just something enjoyably tangible about physical media, as opposed ephemeral files stored in a cloud.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#46
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that, but other people say the opposite. I have no idea who's right. If you happen to have a link to a detailed legal analysis, with references, feel free to post it. I don't promise to read it myself but probably someone reading this is sufficiently interested in copyright law to read further.

For practical purposes the legality of ripping ones one own legally acquired cds is meaningless because it is impossible that one should face enforcement regardless of legality. A good argument could be had that in the US it is fair use however its hard to establish the legality given that in nearly 40 years in the US nobody has ever insofar as I'm able to discern ever had action taken against them solely for copying…

In the UK under RIPA some authority could get records from your ISP of accesses to a CD info download system. Then they can ask that service for the list of track titles. As copyright is tort, the balance of probabilities is then that you infringed copyright.

Doesn't quite make sense, as copyright is tort, but there are police departments devoted to court enforcement. I'd be wary.

Not saying it will happen, but seems easy to catch a lot of people with the draconian powers and laws of UK.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#47
post #27

The revival we need, urgently, is of recorded music income Why? That ship has sailed. In 2022, as in 1922, 1822, 1722 etc musicians will have to earn their income by playing live.

The thing with CDs today is that they are merchandise, as with cassettes or vinyl or whatever. You don't buy them to listen to them, but to have them.

I think this understanding is crucially necessary for musicians hopping on this "trend". Like they could make action figures or mood rings or whatever. What the fans want are buying is a tangible thing, a keepsake.

So first they need an actual fan-base that may be interested in a keepsake, and the keepsake should be worthwhile, feel luxurious. Like it doesn't need to actually be expensive, but it shouldn't feel cheap.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#48

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Only having experience with HDtracks, they don't really have much. Sure they have the most popular stuff for the most part but I often find that albums are missing for an artist or entire artists are missing. Not sure if it is a geographic restriction or if its like that everywhere.

> Sure they have the most popular stuff That sounds like you need to try bandcamp, because they are missing the most popular stuff ;)

Bandcamp really is a treasure trove for finding releases of established and new independent artists. It seems that their business model is quite fair towards artists as well. It also seems that their acquisition by Epic games hasn't negatively affected them so far.

[Edit]: And they offer all downloads I've encountered so far in several lossy and lossless formats, including FLAC and WAV

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#49
post #27

The revival we need, urgently, is of recorded music income Why? That ship has sailed. In 2022, as in 1922, 1822, 1722 etc musicians will have to earn their income by playing live.

I think the last recent time musicians had to play live often to get income was during the peak of file sharing networks. Now that everybody is willing to pay for services like spotify to listen to their music, live concerts are becoming rare again.

Re: There Is No CD Revival

#50

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It depends. If the CD has DRM, bypassing that DRM for a personal copy is a crime. If there's no DRM, I believe creating a personal copy is acceptable.

The CD format doesn't support DRM. Extremely few CDs tried to fiddle to add it by adding errors, but modern readers aren't stopped from reading the audio. CDs are pure audio data with error correction.

There's the whole Sony rootkit fiasco that shows that record labels have tried to put DRM on CD's. I have no idea how many continued to try, but if they did bypassing it is a crime, even if it's trivial to bypass. The DMCA is dumb.
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