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New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by ceeplusplus »

throwaway4good wrote: post #27
bcatanzaro wrote: post #17

Importantly, it appears some of their GPU comes from Imagination Technology. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/chinas-little-nvidia...

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

The entire GPU IP is licensed from Imagination. This is like Google making their Tensor phone chip and claiming it's novel when in reality everything is licensed from someone else and all they had to do was integrate it together.

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Post by FpUser »

causality0 wrote: post #15
nynx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares? Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money.

It makes sense if you have one scheme that creates that is choked out by a different scheme that copies instead. Eventually there is no creation.

Yeah, it had taken me 10 years of heavy R&D investments to come up with this ingenious idea that the phone can have rounded corners. /s

Sorry but the situation now it that one can not even fart without breaking some patent. It is ridiculous, serves only big corps and keeps smaller companies under constant threat of litigations they can not afford. And most of the patents are plain obvious.

I was once asked to come up with the idea of how to implement some XXX feature. It had taken me about 10 minutes to "invent" the main approach and then couple of days to spec it down to such form that it could be given to subcontractor. Upon checking however we've easily found at least 10 patents covering this exact XXX. And this is everywhere.

From a tool to compensate the inventors the patents system has become a tool to serve fat cats.

Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by keewee7 »

nwatson wrote: post #51
ferminaut wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is no price, there is no power usage, the rated fp32 is roughly on par with a video card that is 6 years old now. unless it's crazy efficient (at 12nm I doubt it), I wouldnt say it's competing with the giants.

But maybe it can be sold in Russia.

Doubt it. It's either manufactured in Taiwan or by a Taiwanese compant in China.

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Post by GauntletWizard »

hulitu wrote: post #28
throwaway4good wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah - because Tesla is a classic all-American name, right?!

Yes, today Tesla is a classic all-American name. I really doubt that many people heard about this obscure guy called Nikola Tesla.

Even when he was working, the majority of his output was as a naturalized American Citizen, on American soil. Tesla is as classicly an American name as Edison, Eisenhower, Truman or Monroe - It's an immigrant name from a country of immigrants.

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Post by swarnie »

philjohn wrote: post #54
ralph84 wrote: post #50

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What rationale did the UK government use when approving Imagination being sold to a private equity firm controlled by the Chinese government?

None whatsoever - they don't care.

Oh trust me, they do care if your company is important enough.

The sale of a company I'm deeply invested in has been dragging on through reviews from the UK MOD for most of a year.

This place had revenues of 125m freedom bucks last year, its hardly a big player.

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Post by throwaway81523 »

qeternity wrote: post #13
curling_grad wrote: post #6

Is "Moore" of the company's name is the "Moore" of Moore's law? If so, I wonder why one would name his/her company after their competitor's founder.

> the "Moore" of Moore's law? I don't know why I find this so funny, but "Moore's Law" is Gordon Moore, founder of Intel...

Ya know, my first thought was Chuck Moore, inventor of Forth, and I wondered whether the GPU used Forth cores (stack oriented) somehow. It wasn't THAT crazy a thought, given the GreenArrays GA144 chip from Chuck Moore's company, with 144 tiny Forth cores running asynchronously. Moore threads, if you will.

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Post by [deleted] »

casta wrote: post #57
jonkoops wrote: post #4

Interesting, are the Linux drivers upstreamed or is this another proprietary GPU driver?

It looks like Imagination is trying to land their user space drivers for Rogue GPUs in mesa3d: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15... In parallel, they're working on upstreaming the kernel bits too: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/frankbinns/powervr/-/tree/pow... Their ISA is here: http://cdn.imgtec.com/sdk-documentation/PowerVR+Instruction+...

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Re: New Chinese GPU Maker Moore Threads Unveils the MTT S60 GPU

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Post by phkahler »

wang_li wrote: post #48
throwaway4good wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if relies on TSMC and IP-blocks purchased from other companies - it is still cool that a 2-year old startup can create graphics card that appears to compete with what giants like NVDIA and AMD are offering.

Except it’s three or four generations behind in performance. The article compares it to a 1060 from Nvidia.

Half of that is because it's on a 12nm node.

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Post by wincy »

throwaway4good wrote: post #43
curling_grad wrote: post #6

Is "Moore" of the company's name is the "Moore" of Moore's law? If so, I wonder why one would name his/her company after their competitor's founder.

I think it is kind of cheeky. You cannot use the progress in manufactoring technology if you insists on creating a single (or few) threaded computer like an x86-machine. To really progress computing your have to go massively parallel. In other words. Moore needs to quit his job at Intel, and go and make GPUs or AI-co processors, if he still wants to see computing power double every 18 months.

Wow I thought to myself “surely Moore is dead” but he’s 93, worth 10 billion and still kicking.

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Post by ris »

pfisherman wrote: post #36
nynx wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares? Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money.

> Intellectual property frankly makes no sense if you don’t worship money. Patents incentivize inventors to publicly disclose how their inventions work. They publicly disclose how their invention works and in exchange are given exclusive rights to it for a limited period of time. This is predicated on the idea that in the absence of such a system, inventors have strong incentives to not disclose how their inventions…

Except that's not how patents are used in the 21st century. Patents are generally written to be as broad in scope as possible while disclosing as little as possible information on how to get said invention to work (if the grantee has actually figured out that part at all). Registering and successfully defending a patent is extremely expensive and patent lawsuits are usually won by the party with the most legal resources, so arguments that it protects small "garden shed" inventors are largely fantasy.
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