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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

tablespoon wrote: post #33
TestSIM1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

> It's like: > Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. > Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes. That's entirely consistent. It just means (from their perspective) Twitter is for externally-facing propaganda. IIRC, nationalist Chinese diplomats, the Global Times editor, etc. are all active on Twitter for the same reason.

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by kurthr »

hef19898 wrote: post #15
VictorPath wrote: post #4

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Which is, at the very least, questionable. And risky, because it gives Russia a potential reason to claim "the West" encouraged terrorism against Russia and Russians. At the very least this makes Russian propaganda efforts so much easier...

Well, you don't have to do anything for them to claim something. They can just claim that there is no invasion, that there are no troops there, and that they didn't destroy a hospital... and at the same time claim (on a banned media tool) that you are a terrorist that supported violence against russian military in the same city, Mariupol "which has always been a part of Eastasia".

It's just full on nonsense trolling, but it could go nuclear, and it will have tremendous economic consequences.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

mancerayder wrote: post #55
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

I think principles went out the window when both the new generation and journalists decided: "You can't stay still on a moving train." I.e., everything is biased, no one is objective, and no platform can be objective because everything has an implicit position (even no position is a position). In other words, a very postmodern "no objective truth can be obtained" take. So yes, the rational, logical next step is loose…

I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by ProAm »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

The problem is Facebook has never had principles beyond market share and ads, we can be honest about that one.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by philliphaydon »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #63
mancerayder wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think principles went out the window when both the new generation and journalists decided: "You can't stay still on a moving train." I.e., everything is biased, no one is objective, and no platform can be objective because everything has an implicit position (even no position is a position). In other words, a very postmodern "no objective truth can be obtained" take. So yes, the rational, logical next step is loose…

I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

Wasnt there an old ~8 hour long movie about the media making up stories to sell news?

Edit: I cannot remember the name, I just remember being in JB HiFi in Australia looking at DVDs and there was an old black and white movie from the 20s or 30s about a guy who has a new empire but they make up stories to sell the paper and none of it was real. I just remember not buying it because the time was something like 6-8 hours long.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by djbusby »

ProAm wrote: post #64
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

The problem is Facebook has never had principles beyond market share and ads, we can be honest about that one.

And that's not something the "new generation" came up with.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by AYBABTME »

pyronik19 wrote: post #57
TestSIM1 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

It's curious as to why we don't treat western govt / media sources as "propaganda" but everything Russian is. I fully agree with the label, but its not being applied to the west. How long were western media just regurgitating that "biolabs" was "Russian disinformation" and writing "fact checks" which just parrot the official government narrative until they realized the Russians were going to capture them then they ju…

Which open hearing?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #58

Am I right to assume what Meta would adhere to the same principles in any other similar case? Eg (countries and nationalities are work of fiction and are the products of the author's imagination): $string = 'Two weeks into $country1's war in $country2, a Meta spokesperson said on Thursday the company had temporarily eased its rules for political speech, allowing posts such as "death to the $nationality invaders," alt…

> would adhere to the same principles in any other similar case?

Consistency isn’t the paramount principle in a moral system. If you have a compulsion for kicking babies, controlling that impulse most of the time is better than going hog wild on a kindergarten because you lost control once.

Facebook is an awful company. But it’s doing the right thing here. That action commendable, even if it’s doer is usually not.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by davidgay »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

I'll grant you elections, but changing rules for century-defining events like the pandemic or the Ukraine war seems very normal to me.

In a parallel and far more impactful setting, laws are changed far more often and for far lesser reasons.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by future-garten »

sidibe wrote: post #26

Persecution complex is in high gear in Russian media, they obviously aren't going to give the full context of Facebook's position. But if you are western in this site or Russian curious enough to be here, let's drop the idea that it's all Russophobia and Westerners hating all Russians. No one here believes you and it's all seemed pretty clear that everything is happening strictly in response to what is happening in U…

Ok, let's take those russian it-people which have migrated in recent two weeks to the nearby countries (which just happen to be in this list made by facebook/meta). Yep, now they are in these very countries. And yep in these countries Meta has allowed hate-posting. Wouldn't it result in some discomfort, unease, prejudice?

Quick-note: indeed to the best of my knowledge all people involved in outsourcing are migrating to the countries where hate-posting has been allowed

Of course, everyone can draw a line, no doubt there, no troubles, no xenophobia expected...

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