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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

This is just a part of Russia's overall playbook. Sow doubt, maintain deniability, gaslight, deflect, and project. It's honestly fascinating to see an entire country treat the global community like an abused spouse.

>Sow doubt, maintain deniability, gaslight, deflect, and project.

"Russian restaurant owners in the U.S. say they face harassment over Ukraine war"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-restaurants-puti...

"Russian businesses in U.S. face threats, vandalism over invasion"

https://www.axios.com/russian-businesses-us-vandalism-threat...

Social media plays a role here.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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You are correct.

"We won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," says Meta.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-...

They define credible as: having two "indicators of credibility", such as location or method. That is a considerably higher bar than for any other group. And that's referring to civilians, not soldiers.

In a separate, internal memo, they explicitly say that hate speech and violent speech against Russian civilians is allowed "if the context is the Russian invasion". That's sufficiently vague that the policy allows for dehumanization.

This is already having a real-world impact, even in countries where Facebook explicitly says all hate speech against Russians, even soldiers, is still banned (obviously, as always, enforcement is lacking). See the real-world impact here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/07/antirussian-...

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It's also fascinating that you are being accused of spreading misinformation for telling the truth about what Facebook said. Some can say Facebook's statement is vague, but these are PR professionals who can certainly be as vague or as precise as they want to be.

It highlights the future we are heading towards, if those who want unbridled corporate power to "ban misinformation" end up having their way. The statement Meta made yesterday would get memory-holed the next day.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Your account has been used exclusively in the past week to do ideological battle and start flamewars. This isn’t what HN is for.

I’ve never seen an account have 8+ flagged comments in a week while slipping under the mod radar. Must be some kind of record.

EDIT: Wow: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=VictorPath&next=3045...

Yeah, kind of a record.

It’s unfortunate because https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29802953 was actually an interesting point. But you’ll need to phrase things as questions rather than statements in order to post constructively on heated topics.

(The “phrase statements as questions” trick has helped me, even if I ignore it more than I should.)

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Persecution complex is in high gear in Russian media, they obviously aren't going to give the full context of Facebook's position. But if you are western in this site or Russian curious enough to be here, let's drop the idea that it's all Russophobia and Westerners hating all Russians. No one here believes you and it's all seemed pretty clear that everything is happening strictly in response to what is happening in Ukraine

Now we can debate about whether these policies are bad and will backfire in Russia where everything is easily sold as being anti-Russian people, but I'm done reading all the woe is me comments from people who absolutely know better about how it's a persecution of Russians based on hate.

I do think these policies are interpreted as anti-Russian racism internally. Looking at vc.ru (Russian HN) they are scooping up the racism angle at face value, they don't like Putin but enemies 1 and 2 right now are Ukraine and the West. Posts blaming Russia for anything are heavily down voted and responded to with Putin's talking points even though they dislike the man. Don't know if the West should lay off with some of the sanctions and boycotts though, opinion might be the same without them

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

> Should we keep posting Russian proganda on Twitter? Also yes. Well, that propaganda is for foreign audiences. This is 100% consistent. You can believe the game is rigged, but still be forced to play.

Ok, yes, correct. But either you're missing the parent poster's point or I'm missing yours.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #7

Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Is banning effective? Can’t you just hop on a VPN and be done with it? Do they block that too?
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