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Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by baby-yoda »

joconde wrote: post #51
baby-yoda wrote: post #46

just my humble opinion - i believe aapl has crossed the threshold into the territory which steve jobs famously described as the hallmark of the Scully era[0] - their endless pursuit for revenue has pushed sales and marketing people to the front of the line and product people operate in their shadows. of course in a company as big and wide ranging as aapl, there are so many competing priorities and things to focus on…

On the other hand, if pre-iPhone Apple could invest into inventing the iPhone, I don't see why today's Apple could balk at a new effort of this kind, since today's Apple is vastly richer. How much did the original iPhone and iPad cost to create? I imagine it would be an easy effort for 2022 Apple, and even a total failure would not dent their revenue by much. I can't imagine Cook being unable to do it.

id attribute it to the maximizer mindset - take Meta for example. reports are metaverse development cost $10 billion so far. development came from zuckerberg himself so no one is getting fired, but say an apple VP sponsors a project that creates a $10 billion loss. very likely they hit none of their targets, have no bonus and are on their way out the door. reading between the lines, is this the cause for the constant turnover in the rumored apple car project?

maybe this is an over simplification but, who has license to consume large amounts of resources across the company, potentially all of it being a loss, and not be fired?

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by code51 »

leviathant wrote: post #52
perardi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are apologists who will insist you can do real work on an iPad—if you get the iPad Pro, and the keyboard case. Which ends up being about as expensive and about the same size as a MacBook Air. And for any work that requires any sort of interface density, or complete access to the file system, or fast I/O, or…I’d way rather have a Mac.

I was a pretty staunch opponent of the iPad for a very long time. Tablets were clearly a consumption device, and I've always disliked Apple's penchant for proprietary connectors. However, things have shifted enough that on the artistic/creative front, the iPad is actually a really nice thing to have. When the iPad Air 4 (I think? The iPad ecosystem has terrible nomenclature) came out, it not only had a USB-C connecto…

Apple Pencil might be the most fragile product Apple ever produced. It's like a ticking time bomb. Its battery is doomed to die any second.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by pohl »

hellomyguys wrote: post #33
pohl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know? I couldn't find any example questions in the article.

"They were prompted with 12 different Apple-related subjects, and asked to rate them on a scale from 1 to 5 and optionally provide text commentary per category"

I did see that. That phrasing doesn't really tell us.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by beanjuiceII »

Reubachi wrote: post #54
kccqzy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work out every day using the Workouts app. I often bike or run outdoors so during a workout GPS, Bluetooth and the heart monitor are all active. At night I use the AutoSleep app to track sleep. I charge the watch just before sleep. I get the 10% low battery notification a few times a week.

I'm sure you have gone through 1 or 2, but you should get another one and if it performs similarly, return the second, chargeback the first. My 7 year old Samsung Gear watch gets around 2 days with minimal use (IE workdays). On average hiking/running day, it will still have 25-45 percent after maximum use from like 7 AM to 6 PM. I have also: -ran it over -lost it on trail for 2+ days in rain/sleet -Sanded it tomatte,…

my wife has same issues with her apple watch and she is pretty active. she charges it constantly now

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by valarauko »

macintux wrote: post #53
kccqzy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work out every day using the Workouts app. I often bike or run outdoors so during a workout GPS, Bluetooth and the heart monitor are all active. At night I use the AutoSleep app to track sleep. I charge the watch just before sleep. I get the 10% low battery notification a few times a week.

You don’t charge in the mornings as well? Charging both before and after sleep is the common pattern I’ve read when using it for sleep tracking.

I use the watch to track sleep as well as daily workouts - popping it on the charger while showering in the morning & for a few minutes at night while I get ready for bed seems to do the trick.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by [deleted] »

baby-yoda wrote: post #60
culturestate wrote: post #58

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> their endless pursuit for revenue has pushed sales and marketing people to the front of the line and product people operate in their shadows It may surprise you to learn that for a very long time, Apple’s de facto head of product (aside from Steve, obviously) was Phil Schiller. The “marketing people” have always been near the top of the food chain.

i'm no expert in the inner workings of apple but i would have considered Ive head of product. just curious as to why you put Schiller ahead? of course Marketing is an integral part of any large business and of course apple has been well above average in how their campaigns and messaging would rank in that regard. i added the commentary from Steve about the Scully era to the original post for context. from his explana…

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Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by benrapscallion »

jhickok wrote: post #6

I love the new Apple Silicon Macs, and the transition for me has been pretty easy. I can't imagine anything interesting happening to the watch that doesn't include a big increase to battery life. I don't want any other feature except a battery that can make it a full day. Apple software has seemingly regressed every year recently. Native apps like Music and Podcasts, the only two I would regularly use, have become so…

A camera would be nice.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by hellomyguys »

pohl wrote: post #63
hellomyguys wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"They were prompted with 12 different Apple-related subjects, and asked to rate them on a scale from 1 to 5 and optionally provide text commentary per category"

I did see that. That phrasing doesn't really tell us.

I wrote:

"This is much different than "Give a number 1-5 to iPhone.""

They wrote:

"They were prompted with 12 different Apple-related subjects, and asked to rate them on a scale from 1 to 5 and optionally provide text commentary per category"

So, unless they are not being explicit about their survey question, which imo would make little sense, especially if it is a traditional Likert scale which is used in context of a question, it does tell us that.

Regardless, my point is that the survey trying to quantify a score is much less valuable than the qualitative points in the article.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by salamandersauce »

perardi wrote: post #38
carlycue wrote: post #19

What is Apple doing with the iPad division? The Mac spanked the iPad in 2021 and the recent earnings showed that.

There are apologists who will insist you can do real work on an iPad—if you get the iPad Pro, and the keyboard case. Which ends up being about as expensive and about the same size as a MacBook Air. And for any work that requires any sort of interface density, or complete access to the file system, or fast I/O, or…I’d way rather have a Mac.

I like iOS better than macOS. Has pen input. The Pro has TB3, granted 1 port but better than the 2015 MacBook. Most of it's problems are completely artificial limitations placed there by Apple. If they just loosened those I'd pick the iPad every time. It's a more flexible form factor held back by software to avoid cutting into Mac and App Store revenue.

Re: Apple in 2021

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Post by gurkendoktor »

leviathant wrote: post #52
perardi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are apologists who will insist you can do real work on an iPad—if you get the iPad Pro, and the keyboard case. Which ends up being about as expensive and about the same size as a MacBook Air. And for any work that requires any sort of interface density, or complete access to the file system, or fast I/O, or…I’d way rather have a Mac.

I was a pretty staunch opponent of the iPad for a very long time. Tablets were clearly a consumption device, and I've always disliked Apple's penchant for proprietary connectors. However, things have shifted enough that on the artistic/creative front, the iPad is actually a really nice thing to have. When the iPad Air 4 (I think? The iPad ecosystem has terrible nomenclature) came out, it not only had a USB-C connecto…

> I was a pretty staunch opponent of the iPad for a very long time. Tablets were clearly a consumption device

I have no doubt that the iPad is great at the things you list in your post, and I wish I had any skills that would justify buying an Apple Pencil.

However, I don't understand why Apple and we on HN are so focused on making the iPad "more" than a consumption device. What's wrong with consumption?

If I were to buy another iPad, it'd be for reading PDFs (terrible on e-book readers), for listening to podcasts and audiobooks, or to let my children play an educational game sometimes. But Apple keeps investing in productivity features while their Books app seems moribund at times (widget please?), their Podcasts app is an ongoing disaster, and they still don't have a read-only guest mode for children or friends. iPadOS has gotten so "pro" that buying an iPad for grandparents is not the no-brainer it used to be, either.

For all the derision that iPads get for being couch potato devices, I wish they were better at being that.

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