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Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?
FriendlyCaptcha will probably get a ton of new business. It's what some EU institutions themselves use.
I sure hope so
Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services
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#62So how does this apply to Gmail? If somebody sends an email to me, and I'm using Google Workspace, could they argue I'm sharing their personal information with Google then?
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#63This is already affecting websites and web apps. At least all of our customers are moving away from Google Analytics and many try to also get rid of other Google services like fonts and maps. I'm very interested to see what this changes in other european countries.
What are the services they are switching to?
Matomo has gotten a ton of traction in Sweden at least.
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#64So how does this apply to Gmail? If somebody sends an email to me, and I'm using Google Workspace, could they argue I'm sharing their personal information with Google then?
Yes. If you have a Business plan for Workspace you can choose your data region to be in Europe (this is still not water tight but probably the best you can do if you want to use Google Workspace).
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Or far simpler, revoke section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. It's an absolutely insane law anyhow, basically "we can spy on any data of non-American users of American services, without any restrictions"
I agree that section 702 is a bit extreme. But, at the heart of it, it makes sense. If foreigners can use services in your jurisdiction, you want to see what they do for security purposes. Nonetheless, it's against the belief of "innocent until proven guilty."
> But, at the heart of it, it makes sense. If foreigners can use services in your jurisdiction, you want to see what they do for security purposes.
As a "foreigner" in a friendly country I'm understandably not too happy about this. And the logical outcome is that the US will lose business anywhere this is unacceptable.
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#67Whenever a company tries to sell you their GDPR compliance by stating data is "encrypted at rest" you should call bullshit. If the data is stored on servers that are online the data will never be at rest (until the day the servers are discarded) making this protective measure useless in the context of Schrems II. The EDPB Guidelines from November 2020 says: "where unencrypted personal data is technically necessary fo…
> Whenever a company tries to sell you their GDPR compliance by stating data is "encrypted at rest" you should call bullshit.
"Encryption at rest" is part of any sensible GDPR compliance concept; the threat that is being defended against is theft or seizure of servers and in the case of portables like laptops and USB sticks also loss of them - without the keys or password, the data is useless.
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> It's amazing the amount of vitriol of some europeans (usually french and german) towards United States.
Are you confusing holding US corporations to local standards with vitriol?
> Regarding regulation, Google will just lock the data in the EU and keep doing business as usual.
Isn't that the desired outcome?
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#69This is already affecting websites and web apps. At least all of our customers are moving away from Google Analytics and many try to also get rid of other Google services like fonts and maps. I'm very interested to see what this changes in other european countries.
Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?
Google Analytics is very hard to replace, because the real value to businesses is in the integrations with Google Ads and Search Console. There's no viable alternative to Google's advertising networks at the minute.
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What do you mean with vitriol? The handling of personal data by the United States government is just an unsolved problem that has to be dealt with. How is Google going to lock the data in the EU, in a way that it can't be grabbed by the unbound US surveillance apparatus?