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Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by pimterry »

wbl wrote: post #4

EU based cloud services always could compete before. Now they will compete on the basis of being in the EU instead of being better.

Interestingly, it's not actually about being in the EU specifically, it's just about being in a jurisdiction with equivalent data protections. It's not a "must be EU" cloud requirement, it's a "must not be USA" requirement.

Canada, Brazil, Japan, India, and many other non-EU countries have GDPR-like data protection regulation that would be totally acceptable I think (IANAL).

The core problem is USA specific - either the USA needs to implement serious data protection laws where they can't blanket surveil foreign user's data, or EU businesses will have to move elsewhere.

I wouldn't be surprised if in future, similar local rulings appear in Canada/Brazil/Japan/Indian/the rest of the world for businesses based there too. It might be a difficult few years for US-based cloud providers.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by Kbelicius »

zxienin wrote: post #12

The title sounds to a general impact ("..Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services"). But on closer read, it seems to partially apply to SaaS/PaaS cloud services, which hold data outside EU. Google also provides IaaS/PaaS cloud offering based within EU as well [0]. [0]: https://cloud.google.com/about/locations#europe

Considering that this ruling is based on schrems II case which concluded that FISA 702 and EO 12.333 are not compatible with GDPR it would seem that holding data within the EU is not a solution since FISA 702 and EO 12.333 are applicable to data held anywhere in the world by a US company.

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Post by litgab »

iqanq wrote: post #18

All of this is similar to what China did back in the day. It helped foster an ecosystem for their own services, but of course they were (and are) of a lower quality.

true, but to be fair: seems like it worked out pretty well for china...

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Post by olivierduval »

Actually, there's an "easy" way out for Google & Co: set up a EU subsidiary and allow them to run autonomously. Il will be subject ONLY to EU laws, on EU servers... but with US technology... and money (ONLY and not datas) will flow back to the US !

As a side effect: Google.EU will be able to use the "full" power allowed by GDPR (european data & world data) as Google.WORLD will "only" be able to use world data excluding EU. But maybe Google.EU will be able to export "consolidated" (so anonymized) datas back to the US ?

Same would be applicable for Apple, Amazon, MS & Co...

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by iqanq »

litgab wrote: post #24
iqanq wrote: post #18

All of this is similar to what China did back in the day. It helped foster an ecosystem for their own services, but of course they were (and are) of a lower quality.

true, but to be fair: seems like it worked out pretty well for china...

It worked out pretty well for politicians and those who work in the tech sector. Worked out terribly for the rest of citizens.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by Kbelicius »

slig wrote: post #15
spaniard89277 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this is only viable for very large companies.

One might think that all these extra regulations benefits only the giants and curbs any newcomers.

Only if one has no idea what these cases are about.

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Post by piaste »

technion wrote: post #14
sirwitti wrote: post #3

This is already affecting websites and web apps. At least all of our customers are moving away from Google Analytics and many try to also get rid of other Google services like fonts and maps. I'm very interested to see what this changes in other european countries.

Analytics and fonts shouldn't be too hard. What about Captcha?

FriendlyCaptcha will probably get a ton of new business. It's what some EU institutions themselves use.

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by Kbelicius »

iqanq wrote: post #18

All of this is similar to what China did back in the day. It helped foster an ecosystem for their own services, but of course they were (and are) of a lower quality.

> All of this is similar to what China did back in the day.

In what way is it similar, I'm not seeing it? When did China introduce something like GDPR and how did it help foster an ecosystem of their own services?

Re: Austrian DPA Ruling Against Google Paves the Way to EU-Based Cloud Services

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Post by viraptor »

The part in most curious about is not even the usual web services we talk about here, but who will be the new big pipe provider in the EU. Who can compete with CloudFlare / Fastly / Akamai / Maxcdn with the raw bandwidth of DDoS that they can sink in their network.

Anyone apart from Gcore labs?

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