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Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by alephxyz »

vanusa wrote: post #34

He was a monster. Yeah, and it's even in a section of the website called "Big Yikes". Ok I get, pedophilia == bad. But my, aren't we being slowly trained to be hapless outrage porn junkies these days, by the continual barrage of manipulative trigger-articles like these.

If you want a more "sober" version, here's the relevant section from the Wikipedia article on him :

>Schrödinger repeatedly sexually abused young women. "The poor things," Schrödinger wrote about the young women and girls he had sexually abused. "They have given me the moments of happiness in my life and themselves the sorrow. Such is life." Schrödinger recorded his sexual "conquests" in a diary he called "Ephemeridae" (mayflies). He justified his preference for young girls by saying that their innocence was the ideal counterpart to his natural genius. One of his victims, aged between 12 and 17, became pregnant by him, had an abortion and became infertile after the abortion. These acts of abuse were reported in 1989 by Walter J. Moore (1918-2001) in his biography of Schrödinger as a "lolita complex", and described by John Gribbin in his 2012 book as "fondling and cuddling".

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

fleurjs wrote: post #60
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said below, a cursory look at Christianity teaches the God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision. The Jewish people would have needed to wait longer for their messiah, and it might not be the year 2022 right now. Also, God is not a human, and is not subject to the human weakness that a position in…

God is at fault for giving free will to humans.

Well, funnily enough, he put us in a Garden where we had everything we could possibly want and we had free will, but had no knowledge of what evil was. However, because we had free will and he didn't want little robots, he put a tree in it with fruit that would give us that knowledge if we freely choose it, but warned us of the consequences. We chose the knowledge. And we made that choice pretty quickly off the bat too, Adam and Eve hadn't even had any kids yet when they made that decision.

And now, thousands of thousands of years later (in the grand scheme of things according to the Bible), a Hacker News commenter complains that God shouldn't have given us free will to make that decision and we would have been happier staying robots. Philosophically profound that is.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by happytoexplain »

_moof wrote: post #43
ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

Sometimes it's for suspicious reasons, but sometimes the focus on legal age of consent is just a misguided reaction to the opposite irrationality.

Generally this topic perhaps more than any other suffers from semantic ambiguity, due to an unwillingness to put a lot of thought into it and bad faith arguments, which both stem from how incredibly uncomfortable and emotional the real consequences surrounding the topic are.

Examples of distinctions that are usually not made clear in contexts where they should be:

- Abuse vs pedophilia.

- Colloquial vs objective definitions of pedophilia.

- Legal vs moral.

- Feeling vs acting.

- "Prepubescent child" vs "person who has secondary sexual characteristics and/or is fully sexually developed, but whose mind may not yet be - or certainly is not - physiologically and/or sociologically developed enough to express independence in the face of even mild sexual advances from an adult, or to make sound decisions about sex (for sometimes undefinably subjective meanings of 'sound decision')".

People opining on age of consent sometimes have a good point, often not, but I think in either case they are usually honestly trying to bring more clarity to an important topic.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by joshgrib »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #56
joshgrib wrote: post #50

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It seems like the angel tells her in Luke 1:31 that it's happening whether she wants it to or not > "You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus" It's nice that she accepts it afterwards, but that's definitely not how consent works, and it doesn't seem like she was given any other option Edit: I saw your other comment saying "there's other evidence of god respecting free will and he proba…

There's a difference between prediction and commanding. It's like when a father tells his daughter she'll get married and have three sweet little children. That doesn't mean it's immediately set in stone and she's forced to.

I can agree with that, but as far as we see in the text it is a command - she's never told she has another option and we as the readers aren't given any indication that she thinks there is. I get that there's a charitable interpretation here if you look for it but I'm trying to just go based on what it says in the book

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by f154hfds »

hirundo wrote: post #17
toolslive wrote: post #6

Looking at history with our current perspective, so were: Edgar Allen Poe, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mohammed, Henry VIII, ...

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So how are we determining Mary's age during these events? Seems pretty speculative :)

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by WithinReason »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32
luma wrote: post #25

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I like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.

"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her." - Luke 1:38 She gave her consent.

God was in a position of power. Infinite power.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by freedom2099 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46
freedom2099 wrote: post #41

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But he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usually forbidden for a person in power to hit on an underling!

As I said below, a cursory look at Christianity teaches the God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision. The Jewish people would have needed to wait longer for their messiah, and it might not be the year 2022 right now. Also, God is not a human, and is not subject to the human weakness that a position in…

You assume that Mary has not felt any pressure to accept such request from god? It’s not like Old Testament god is a nice guy… I would be terrorised to disappoint him! So no… Mary was in no condition to refuse!

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by joshgrib »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #45
joshgrib wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oof I never really realized that the Christian god is canonically a rapist

Christianity teaches that God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision and we might be living in year 1970 right now.

Christianity may teach that today, but it isn't what the story is. Do you have any evidence from the text showing that she had another choice?

God also murders tons of people in the bible without consulting them, which definitely cannot be done while also respecting their free will

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

awillen wrote: post #44
Mystlix wrote: post #26

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The problem is that people still can't detach age of consent from pedophilia. Being a pedophile is about being attracted to kids, meaning you get aroused from the bodily characteristics of prepubescent people. If you are attracted to a 13yo that looks like a 18yo then you aren't a pedophile, but if you are attracted to a 13yo who looks like a 13yo you might very well be. Having said that, you still should be banned f…

You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester. The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then yo…

> because pedophilia is a mental illness

Is it? I wouldn't think it is any more of a mental illness than having a foot or rape fetish.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by joshgrib »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #54
xwolfi wrote: post #53

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You bet she gave consent to Joseph, she even lied and said she was impregnated by an angel to her parents when she had to explain the result. To someone today that would be laughed off and sent to court, but at the time they ran with it... simpler times :D

Oh right, as if he didn't do miracles left and right, raise from the dead, and predict the fall of Jerusalem 40 years before it happened. That's your hangup with the story?

It was pretty commonplace to lie to avoid the social persecution of having a baby outside of marriage. This was still fairly common even recently - a young girl would go to a nunnery and them come back with a child "they adopted". There is also no evidence of any miracles aside from games of telephone played over centuries.

We also have plenty of equally verified accounts of virgin births from other religions going back even further than Jesus. So if we're believing any claims of virgin birth followed by claims of miracles, then the Christian god must surely be lying by saying they're the only god

This seems like a nice little summary of all the other similar claims: https://www.smh.com.au/national/there-s-nothing-new-about-vi...

> Claims of divine intervention aside, virgin births may have a more human explanation – a tragic demonstration of the extreme measures women have been forced to take to save themselves and their reputations.

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