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Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by freedom2099 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32
luma wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.

"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her." - Luke 1:38 She gave her consent.

But he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usually forbidden for a person in power to hit on an underling!

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by joshgrib »

luma wrote: post #25
hirundo wrote: post #17

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I like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.

Oof I never really realized that the Christian god is canonically a rapist

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by _moof »

ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by awillen »

Mystlix wrote: post #26
ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

The problem is that people still can't detach age of consent from pedophilia. Being a pedophile is about being attracted to kids, meaning you get aroused from the bodily characteristics of prepubescent people. If you are attracted to a 13yo that looks like a 18yo then you aren't a pedophile, but if you are attracted to a 13yo who looks like a 13yo you might very well be. Having said that, you still should be banned f…

You're right up until your last sentence, which is totally wrong and illustrates another important thing people misunderstand - there is a difference between a pedophile and child molester.

The age of consent is about consenting to sexual activity. A pedophile is someone who feels attraction. If you're a pedophile, that is, you feel attraction to young children, but you seek out treatment and never act on it, then you're not a child molester and haven't broken the age of consent.

It's an important difference, because pedophilia is a mental illness, but because people think of pedophiles and actual child molesters as one in the same, pedophiles are often discouraged from seeking out treatment. We should acknowledge that feelings of attraction to children are beyond one's control, like the urges of an alcoholic to drink.

Given that, we should celebrate alcoholics who recognize that they have a problem, seek out treatment, and stop drinking. They are fighting a difficult battle against a condition they did not ask for. The same with pedophiles - those who seek out treatment and do not harm children should be applauded, not shunned.

Important and relevant: https://www.vice.com/en/article/j5y8zy/the-men-who-call-them...

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

joshgrib wrote: post #42
luma wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.

Oof I never really realized that the Christian god is canonically a rapist

Christianity teaches that God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision and we might be living in year 1970 right now.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

freedom2099 wrote: post #41
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her." - Luke 1:38 She gave her consent.

But he was god… could she really be in the position to refuse? It’s like Monica and Bill Clinton… a poor intern with a powerful president! That is why it is usually forbidden for a person in power to hit on an underling!

As I said below, a cursory look at Christianity teaches the God respects human free will. It's partly why so much evil is in the world. If Mary had refused (which she could have), he would have respected that decision. The Jewish people would have needed to wait longer for their messiah, and it might not be the year 2022 right now.

Also, God is not a human, and is not subject to the human weakness that a position in power has for underlings.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by afiori »

_moof wrote: post #43
ptsneves wrote: post #18

The article says that 14 and 17 year old are pedophilia, which is a range that is not widely considered pedophilia but underage, being only punished if there was intent for exploitation. Pedophilia is heinous because it takes advantage of people(children) who are not yet able defend against exploitation. It would be on the same level of rape, but with even worse circumstances due to general helplessness by the child.…

Why is there always someone eager to demonstrate a weirdly expansive knowledge of ages of consent?

because cultural imperialism irritates people

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by disambiguation »

> the physicist kept a record of his abuse in his diaries, even justifying his actions by claiming he had a right to the girls due to his genius.

Well, never meet your heroes. Its sad to see this a recurring theme in among elites, they think they're special and therefore the rules don't apply to them.

Would be interesting to read the primary source if someone can find it.

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by CWuestefeld »

toolslive wrote: post #6

Looking at history with our current perspective, so were: Edgar Allen Poe, Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Mohammed, Henry VIII, ...

I'm not sure why we feel a need to look at history through this particular lens. I think that Schrodinger's work, or Poe's writing, should be appreciated for the great achievements they are, and we don't need to consider the person from whose minds they sprang.

Does creating a list of past greats who did naughty things accomplish anything except maybe to broaden the Overton window for those naughty things? (Hey, if this person's so great and they did it, why shouldn't I?)

Re: Turns Out Schrödinger, the Father of Quantum Physics, Was a Pedophile

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Post by joshgrib »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32
luma wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like hwere your head is at but I think God can take the blame on that one, who did so without Mary's prior consent.

"And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her." - Luke 1:38 She gave her consent.

It seems like the angel tells her in Luke 1:31 that it's happening whether she wants it to or not

> "You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus"

It's nice that she accepts it afterwards, but that's definitely not how consent works, and it doesn't seem like she was given any other option

Edit: I saw your other comment saying "there's other evidence of god respecting free will and he probably would have been fine with it if she didn't want to". The bible is full of contradictions so there may be evidence of a respect for free will somewhere else, but this specific story seems to contradict that

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