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Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by endergen »

[deleted] wrote: post #59
zedshaw wrote: post #32

If you take away how this looks, and start digging into the project from a beginner's perspective, this project is awful. I find this with most of the supposed "UI frameworks" out there for HTML. With a few exceptions, they mostly lack: 1. Good documentation that doesn't just define the framework, but teaches you how to use it and get stuff done with it. Code already defines what it is, your docs should tell me why i…

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How is it wrong? He's making good points. Do you have counter point to his exact statements?

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by danellis »

trb wrote: post #9

Using Chrome13 on Ubuntu, when I try to use the Drag&Drop Demo, the draggable element jumps to the lower right corner of the mouse cursor. In the slider demo, rapidly clicking multiple times on the left or right arrow to increase/decrease the value fires a doubleclick event, highlighting most of the text on the site. In the window demo, the mouse cursor does not change when I hover over the title bar, although the wi…

Even worse, on Chrome on Mac the entire page flashes black for a fraction of a second every time you select something from a drop-down list. Unusable.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by de90 »

nadam wrote: post #45
WayneDB wrote: post #14

I apologize in advance if this opinion offends anyone, but every HTML UI kit that I've seen simply can't hold a candle to native kits such as WinForms, WPF or even Cocoa. I would really love a write-once browser based solution, but I just can't see that type of solution ever catching up to native tech. How long do we have to wait before the browser can catch up? Do you think it will ever happen? The closest thing tha…

I am working on a UI lib which is written in Javascript and completely painted on HTML5 canvas. I know, crazy idea... I got rid of the incompatibilities of the browsers, I got rid of DOM: I defined my own event system, component graph, etc... This will be someting like a traditional desktop component based UI, just in javascript, in the browser. Styling will be far more advanced than CSS: you can even inject a custom…

But won't using the canvas for this eliminate the compatability in older browsers? Which not caring for older browsers would help resolve a lot of the pains of working with the front end in browsers...

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by kaffesump »

TrevorBurnham wrote: post #28

I'd seriously consider using this, just because of the stagnancy of jQuery UI. It's a massive project with hundreds of long-open tickets (despite thousands of dollars spent on incentivizing developers over the summer through http://rewardjs.com/ ). 1.8 was released in March of 2010, and the last milestone release for 1.9 was back in May. To be fair, a lot of jQuery UI's development headaches come from supporting IE6,…

I would like to make a guess and say that the stagnancy of jQuery UI has a lot to do with jQuery Mobile (which if I'm not incorrect actually is a child-project of jQuery UI). I do however agree, jQuery UI is in many ways awesome, but needs to pick up speed.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by zedshaw »

NHQ wrote: post #48
zedshaw wrote: post #32

If you take away how this looks, and start digging into the project from a beginner's perspective, this project is awful. I find this with most of the supposed "UI frameworks" out there for HTML. With a few exceptions, they mostly lack: 1. Good documentation that doesn't just define the framework, but teaches you how to use it and get stuff done with it. Code already defines what it is, your docs should tell me why i…

Hm. If you look --> in the documentation <-- you find your first protest invalid. And in those docs you will find plenty of sample code, for your second protest, and examples (#3) to go with them (what is sample code if not an example?). #4 Protest too much? #5 Does a framework's theme need a template, too, or will a motif do?

I looked at the --> documentation http://www.kendoui.com/documentation/javascript-dependencies...

And other pages that are just enumerations of things that are in the code, then you've just defined it, you haven't told me how to use it or why it works the way it does.

Instead, they'd need docs that lead the user through step-by-step breakdowns of where things are, why they are there, how to exactly build an app from nothing, and get it working. They've got none of that. Just a .zip with some crap in it and nothing that says what to do.

Then, your idea of "sample code" is a couple of blocks of js on an HTML page? Right, I need HTML, Js, server setups, everything needed to get it working. If I don't have that then you've skipped over a ton of shared knowledge I don't have and that you need to take out of your brain and lay down so I can follow along.

"Protest too much?" You're a dick. Seriously, I love you guys who come in talking all tough like you're so damn right and really you just pedantically split hairs then throw out ad hominem attacks while claiming you abhor them.

But, then again, like I give a fuck what you think. The people who will actually benefit from my comment will read it, and the guys like you will just go about your day writing down 5 paragraphs for your docs and wondering why people can't use your crap.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by justinhj »

zedshaw wrote: post #66
NHQ wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm. If you look --> in the documentation <-- you find your first protest invalid. And in those docs you will find plenty of sample code, for your second protest, and examples (#3) to go with them (what is sample code if not an example?). #4 Protest too much? #5 Does a framework's theme need a template, too, or will a motif do?

I looked at the --> documentation http://www.kendoui.com/documentation/javascript-dependencies... And other pages that are just enumerations of things that are in the code, then you've just defined it, you haven't told me how to use it or why it works the way it does. Instead, they'd need docs that lead the user through step-by-step breakdowns of where things are, why they are there, how to exactly build an app from…

you want free software with great documentation, and you want it to amuse you too. anyone can ask for that stuff, far fewer are prepared to help out

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by sunchild »

WayneDB wrote: post #14

I apologize in advance if this opinion offends anyone, but every HTML UI kit that I've seen simply can't hold a candle to native kits such as WinForms, WPF or even Cocoa. I would really love a write-once browser based solution, but I just can't see that type of solution ever catching up to native tech. How long do we have to wait before the browser can catch up? Do you think it will ever happen? The closest thing tha…

I'm the last one to hold his breath for fear of vaporware, but I have high hopes for a new Sproutcore UI kit. I want robust client-side UI elements that bind easily to a REST API. I feel like we're right on the cusp of that revolution.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by nadam »

mortenjorck wrote: post #53
nadam wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am working on a UI lib which is written in Javascript and completely painted on HTML5 canvas. I know, crazy idea... I got rid of the incompatibilities of the browsers, I got rid of DOM: I defined my own event system, component graph, etc... This will be someting like a traditional desktop component based UI, just in javascript, in the browser. Styling will be far more advanced than CSS: you can even inject a custom…

You have my attention. Does this project have any kind of Twitter or mailing list yet?

Thanks. Not yet, but I will release a website and a 0.1 version in two weeks. I will also write a 'please review' post on HN.

Re: Kendo UI - a framework for modern HTML UI

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Post by dreamdu5t »

eschutte2 wrote: post #47
dreamdu5t wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sencha isn't even remotely cross-platform, with support restricted to the latest webkit-based browsers with decent CSS3 support. Sencha's UI is pretty bad on any other device but an iPhone.

It sounds like you're talking about Sencha Touch, which is very different from the desktop version (ExtJS).

Correct, I meant Sencha Touch.
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