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NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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How is this any better than just buying a brand name android phone and putting calyxOS or some custom ROM like lineage on it?

They do the work for you. You could just buy a Pixel 6 and throw GrapheneOS on it, but this is not financially viable if you count the hours needed, especially if you want to recommend a secure phone to non technical friends and not configure it for them.

https://grapheneos.org/install/web is easy to use and GrapheneOS has broad app compatibility these days via sandboxed Play services (https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services). We're working on making the out-of-the-box experience nicer via a first party app repository and client which can be used to bootstrap installing other app stores too. There are over 6400 users in the GrapheneOS Matrix room with many experienced people always around at any time of day that are willing to spend lots of time helping new users.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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Serious question; not trying to be snarky. Other than just personal privacy preferences what would are some practical reasons for why someone would use this phone?

In terms of user experience, it's pretty obvious that GrapheneOS suffers by comparison. For example, the camera app isn't as amazing as it is on Pixel with full Google Android, and it probably never will be . You can install apps from the Google pay store with Aurora -- even things like Google maps and Gboard for swipe typing, but you will probably prefer them to be more secure and so you'll lock them down as much as…

> In terms of user experience, it's pretty obvious that GrapheneOS suffers by comparison. For example, the camera app isn't as amazing as it is on Pixel with full Google Android, and it probably never will be. You can install apps from the Google pay store with Aurora -- even things like Google maps and Gboard for swipe typing, but you will probably prefer them to be more secure and so you'll lock them down as much as possible, lessening their utility.

GrapheneOS recently added our own modern Camera app replacing the legacy AOSP Camera. You can also use the Google Camera app included in the stock OS on GrapheneOS if you want more features. It only depends on GSF which can be installed alongside it as another fully sandboxed app. They work the same way as any other apps. There's a guide on the camera at https://grapheneos.org/usage#camera. GrapheneOS has the same camera quality and features as the stock OS. It's the apps which are different, and you can use the stock OS camera app.

It's also possible to use Play services (GMS) and the Play Store as fully sandboxed apps due to the sandboxed Play services compatibility layer on GrapheneOS. You might be choosing to use it without that but it does have broad app compatibility for users who want it. You don't have to give up much to use GrapheneOS anymore. Not every Play services feature is available but the functionality that's available is steadily expanding as we make extensions to the compatibility layer.

https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services

The compatibility layer enables using GSF, GMS and the Play Store as fully sandboxed apps with exactly the same restrictions and permission model as any other user installed app. That includes the improvements offered by GrapheneOS such as the Sensors toggle, Network toggle, stronger sandbox and other privacy/security improvements protecting the OS from apps.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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Why do you need to insert a man in the middle vector? I mean GrapheneOS even provides it's users a web based installer. I really hate these marketing schemes based on privacy buzzwords.

People are unable to install the OS. If you go to the matrix room, it's a constant stream of installation questions. Like most things, this is a skill/time/money tradeoff. If you lack in one or more, you can make up with the others.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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They do the work for you. You could just buy a Pixel 6 and throw GrapheneOS on it, but this is not financially viable if you count the hours needed, especially if you want to recommend a secure phone to non technical friends and not configure it for them.

https://grapheneos.org/install/web is easy to use and GrapheneOS has broad app compatibility these days via sandboxed Play services ( https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-play-services ). We're working on making the out-of-the-box experience nicer via a first party app repository and client which can be used to bootstrap installing other app stores too. There are over 6400 users in the GrapheneOS Matrix room with m…

I use Grapheneos. The Matrix room #grapheneos:grapheneos.org is everything strcat says it is: yet get used to OpenBSD or Arch levels of "RTFM" as responses to queries. To be fair the docs at grapheneos.org are fair (nothing like OpenBSD's), but without a good grounding in infosec terms of art, they will be between strange and unintelligible. Backscroll search is vital.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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Right? How do I know this isn't a CIA front shipping bugged phones to the users with something to hide? [0] NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types, they should at least have a FAQ convincing me they're not the feds :) [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...

You can be security conscious but not have the technical skills to flash an OS on to a phone.

It's pretty easy with GrapheneOS's web installer.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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You can be security conscious but not have the technical skills to flash an OS on to a phone.

It's pretty easy with GrapheneOS's web installer.

I think you either underestimate your own ability with tech or over estimate the general user. I still get calls from my parents when Firefox updates and a "new box" shows up. This is an extreme example, but this phone could be used by finance or hr team members who are also not expected to really be tech focused.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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It's pretty easy with GrapheneOS's web installer.

I think you either underestimate your own ability with tech or over estimate the general user. I still get calls from my parents when Firefox updates and a "new box" shows up. This is an extreme example, but this phone could be used by finance or hr team members who are also not expected to really be tech focused.

That's why there is a tech department in most companies.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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I think you either underestimate your own ability with tech or over estimate the general user. I still get calls from my parents when Firefox updates and a "new box" shows up. This is an extreme example, but this phone could be used by finance or hr team members who are also not expected to really be tech focused.

That's why there is a tech department in most companies.

Just a idea, but support could be a reason to pick a 3rd party to manage these kinds of devices instead of installing the original project. You do open up extra avenues of compromise, but rolling out an OS project you are not really an expert in to staff is a big risk for usability. I can see a value proposition of "locked down devices, more secure than stock, 98% as secure as possible, 24/7 support" being an attractive tradeoff for some companies or people.

Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates

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First of all, I am fairly sure GrapheneOS is in no way affiliated to NitroPhone which just packages their work and sells it with no work done by themselves. Second of all, the only accusation I see is on your part.

We don't have any issue with Nitrokey selling phones with GrapheneOS. They're one of several vendors providing users with a way to buy a phone shipping with GrapheneOS. Our web installer is very easy to use and even very non-technical users are able to use it with the help of our community. There are always many people in our Matrix room willing to provide lots of help to new users around the clock. Some people are s…

Your defense of your project is to attack my post history and comment history which is par for the course. Graphene has a crisis in PR and leadership of which falls squarely on your shoulders. Try not character attacking people who have valid criticisms of your project, maybe, and take ownership of how you respond.
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