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NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates
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#32Why do you need to insert a man in the middle vector? I mean GrapheneOS even provides it's users a web based installer. I really hate these marketing schemes based on privacy buzzwords.
Right? How do I know this isn't a CIA front shipping bugged phones to the users with something to hide? [0] NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types, they should at least have a FAQ convincing me they're not the feds :) [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
You can be security conscious but not have the technical skills to flash an OS on to a phone.
Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right? How do I know this isn't a CIA front shipping bugged phones to the users with something to hide? [0] NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types, they should at least have a FAQ convincing me they're not the feds :) [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
> NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types Let's not add anymore stigmatization in an area where it would serve us all to be a little more paranoid about the amount of spying and corporate+government intrusion that is now the norm in our lives. So many things I would have thought were conspiracy theories a mere 10 years ago are now true. The slippery slope is not a fallacy anymo…
apologies for making my sarcasm too subtle, as evidenced by my wa-po link, I'm well aware that intelligence agencies really do set up fronts to sell bugged goods to a person of interest. Hell, if nothing else works they'll even arrange a vaccination drive for all the kids in your village to try and suss you out.
Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates
#34Easy to offer 4.5 years of software updates, but will the company be around in 4.5 years?
Well, realistically they’re not the ones providing the updates. Graphene is providing them.
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right? How do I know this isn't a CIA front shipping bugged phones to the users with something to hide? [0] NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types, they should at least have a FAQ convincing me they're not the feds :) [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
Just found their "About the company" page: https://www.nitrokey.com/about They say that they are totally self-financed and produce their Nitrokeys only in Germany to prevent supply chain attacks.
I wondered if Crypto AG (the swiss company selling backdoor'd hardware) would have said the same thing and looked up their old about page. [0] In light of the CIA's involvement I find it exceedingly cheeky:
> We are present around the globe in all cultural environments. The threats, challenges, and fears you are likely to encounter are known to us; they are the source of our innovative thrust. Thanks to our world-wide network and regional offices, our presence and services know no borders or limits.
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20110516233908/http://www.crypto...
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#36If you're in the market for such a phone may I ask, without judgement, why? I'm very interested in whether this is aimed particularly at certain professions, if more and more people fear violation of personal privacy, etc. Again, no judgement or preconception - I'm asking in good faith.
People say they have nothing to hide. Yet would you hand your unlocked cell phone over to a stranger? People give away all kind of personal data for free to adtech. If you have serious privacy concerns phones like this makes sense.
A total stranger? Sure, why not. That’s why I don’t care about big tech having my info.
Friends or relatives? No way.
Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates
#37Does anybody knows this company or use any of its products? Because this looks like a scam or another company providing security service for criminals (or will be mostly used by them).
I've bought a number of their Nitrokey HSM 2's and been very happy with them. But that is pretty much the extent of my knowledge of them.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right? How do I know this isn't a CIA front shipping bugged phones to the users with something to hide? [0] NitroPhone's target demographic is very paranoid^B^B^B security conscious types, they should at least have a FAQ convincing me they're not the feds :) [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
You can be security conscious but not have the technical skills to flash an OS on to a phone.
I can be conscious of my health, but unless I make healthy choices it doesn't help much. Same with security. If you can't be bothered changing your bad habits, you may be security conscious but it isn't going to help much.
Re: NitroPhone 2/Pro with 4.5 years of software updates
#39If you're in the market for such a phone may I ask, without judgement, why? I'm very interested in whether this is aimed particularly at certain professions, if more and more people fear violation of personal privacy, etc. Again, no judgement or preconception - I'm asking in good faith.
Maybe they grow/sell marijuana or shrooms and want to learn about things like that without worrying about being put on some list, or just have concerns about censorship or being flagged based on their political beliefs.
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#40Serious question; not trying to be snarky. Other than just personal privacy preferences what would are some practical reasons for why someone would use this phone?