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Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article said the humans have "culled" about 1000 of the monkeys. It's interesting that we use different euphemisms depending on who's doing the killing.

The same term is used for cattle. I guess species at the top of the food chain choose the terms of art. I wouldn't be surprised, though, to learn that the monkeys have their own sound/ utterance to mean the killing of people.

What do you mean same is used for cattle?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#62

Philosophical question, assuming kt's not a fake news: are those monkeys "evil"? If they revenge is agains siblings of the aggressor or just dogs in general, I would say so. Looks like they are intelligent enough to be evil.

The problem you have here is that your conception of this requires the potentially-'evil' to be intelligent - your assumption seems to be that these monkeys are smart enough to 'know right from wrong' or some such.

But 'evil' is a human concept. I'm not saying some animals aren't capable of having a similar concept, but 'monkey evil' would not be rooted in the human evolution of societies, religious and philosophical traditions, etc.

Try this one out:

Are humans who kill monkeys for science "evil"? Not to (many) humans. But to monkeys?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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post #42

I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

How would humans experience revenge differently? What makes you think revenge isn’t an instinct in humans? I recall reading (the book escapes me), that just about all animals employ a Tit-for-Tat mechanism for dealing with other animals of the same species that cheat. Revenge is a very useful social tool, especially against other species threatening their offspring.

Dawkin's The ancestors tale?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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> Why are people surprised Who said anybody is surprised?

It's posted to HN. You wouldn't see "${western_city} Animal Control Removes Stray Dogs from Park After Child Killed" on HN.

And neither would you see headlines about a human child learning to read, yet if a monkey were to do the same it'd be up here in no time. The noteworthy thing here is not the activity performed, but what entity the activity was performed by.

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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>Villagers reported that now there are barely any dogs left in the area but that the monkeys have not stopped even after a month of attacks. Now, villagers reported that the monkeys are targeting small children which has created a panic within the village.

That's when you start shooting these monkeys on sight. Cull their numbers a bit. I've been bitten by a monkey as a child and it sucked. I hope the village starts splitting their wigs. Do they have guns?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#68

> villagers began attempting to rescue the dogs on their own. But some of them have found themselves subject to the monkeys' retaliation, and some have even injured themselves or fallen from buildings how strong are these monkeys? I mean I know monkeys are strong but can they really ambush a human, and push them over a ledge? can they kidnap a human, carry them upward and drop them over a ledge?

> how strong are these monkeys? I believe the right question is, how intelligent and distempered are these monkeys? Intelligence > brawn Strength is mostly immaterial once I (as a hypothetical monkey) understand that I can use my agility to rip your eyeballs from their sockets, which then effectively removes your ability to pose a threat to me.

That's a silly way to think about it, strength just gives you more tools that you can work with if you're intelligent. If you aren't strong enough to rip eyeballs from sockets, how does being intelligent enough to know you can do that help you?

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

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I remember from a visit in Kenya that the way they control monkeys was to keep shooting the alpha until eventually their next leader forces the group to retreat and leave the human settlements alone.

Wonder how many times this has been done with humans throughout history

Re: Group of monkeys kill over 250 dogs for 'revenge' in Indian town

#70

I'm not sure if monkeys experience revenge the way humans do. As one of the comments mentioned in the article, it's probably just a survival instinct.

Most animals are capable of revenge. Story: A family in Palestine were doing a routine cleaning of the house. They had a snake nest in the house and it was no pet snake. So to clean better they put the nest and eggs in a different corner.

The snake came back looking for the nest and could not find it. It looked around with no luck. It went to the family water vase (because there was no piped water supply) and spit inside. The mother saw this and told the other to put the nest back.

The snake saw the nest, went immediately back to the vase, coiled it and flipped the water over over to empty it.

It had spit poison in the supply to hurt the family for revenge of its nest. And then sought to undo that act.

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