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Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by oriki »

gknoy wrote: post #51
BitwiseFool wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down…

I find what you said really interesting, mainly because I don't think I've _ever_ used likes or dislikes (or their ratio) as a metric for choosing what to watch. The most I've interacted with dislikes is when seeing some helpful low-production-value video, or some artist's music stream, I've wondered why 1-3% of the viewers disliked it. I mean, even when I've found _better_ or _more informative_ videos, I've never be…

This. I find that the vast majority of cases where I'd pay any attention to the dislike bar are just cases where people are getting dogpiled for whatever reason (whether they deserve it or not, or if anyone deserves to be treated like that on the internet, is another matter entirely) but I've heard reasonable arguments from people talking about tutorials and other informative videos that the like:dislike ratio is a convenient sniff test for if the video is worth watching.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rat87 »

throwawaygh wrote: post #43
1cvmask wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>> the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. > Everything is a conspiracy theory till proven otherwise. Please tell me this comment is ironic.

Nice pun.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by r00fus »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #40
shadowgovt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's entirely possible they were taken down in the first place because so many parallel streams of coverage on the same data tripped either a spam detector or an honest-to-God bug in the YouTube backend ("Hm... lots of parallel channels running the exact same bytes. I bet we can consolidate this if we just tee the stream sinks against a source that oops that's a hotspot ...").

doubt. Over the last 6 years there have been toooooo many coincidences which go in 1 direction politically instead of equally in both directions. You only need to flip a coin 5-6 times before you suspect it might be rigged... and after 100's of tosses there is no longer any question.

You are comparing YouTube policing their platform to a a coin flip?

YT isn't a public service.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rossdavidh »

_-david-_ wrote: post #3

Is it just me or does it seem like these "accidents" impact smaller and perhaps less politically authoritative channels than the big channels? I am not just talking about this incident but others as well.

Well, this is somewhat similar to how it is rare for a large email provider such as Yahoo, Gmail, etc. to mistakenly label all content from one of the others as spam, but not uncommon for them to make that mistake about small email providers. It doesn't even need to be a conspiracy for that to happen, just a greater concern for larger providers.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by systemvoltage »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #44
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about censoring Dislikes? This is in progress now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxOuG8jMIgI&t=1s

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down…

YouTube is such an awesome thing. The executives want to destroy it. The content creators and users are pissed off.

This whole dislike thing fundamentally breaks YT for me. Completely. I will not waste time watching videos if they’re not worth watching.

There is a reason why IMDB is a thing. If they remove ratings, it becomes useless. Ratings are the foundational aspect of IMDB.

Google needs a lesson or two and I hope the community responds in the strongest form of protest.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by rat87 »

trhway wrote: post #18
martneumann wrote: post #13

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You are being very generous by calling them an "investigatory committee". They routinely compare the anti Covid measures by the German government to the Holocaust [1]. On the same site, you can also see that they touted the weird conspiracy theory of becoming magnetic after being vaccinated. They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. [1] https://www.psiram.com/de/index.ph…

>They violated Youtube's ToS with their conspiracy theories and got kicked out, it seems. great sign of progress. Just mere 400 years ago they would have been tortured and burned at stake as heretics. Though who knows, the way things been moving lately ...

Yes I see it as progress that YouTube kicks off antivax conspiracies. It would be nice if Facebook did the same

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by roody15 »

caeril wrote: post #22
thepasswordis wrote: post #11

I think at this point we can just expect this stuff. The ridiculousness of it, though. The rekieta law stream (which is fantastic , btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7YXd2M5E-8 ) has anywhere from 4-12 active lawyers giving commentary and context to everything that is happening. This is exactly the type of thing we dreamed about when we were first creating the internet. However: often times these smaller independ…

> these smaller independent journalists and commenters go against the reality that media companies want you to believe you live in. For an example from this specific case, compare the actual unedited testimony of Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted on the stand that Rittenhouse did not fire until Gaige's Glock 17 was pointed directly at Kyle's head , to the coverage of his testimony by CNN, et. al. The mainstream media l…

Yes its like they are shaping reality and attempting to cause social unrest. What the ultimate aim of such a narrative is I am unsure?

Just keep people divided? Get more viewers who are "outraged"?

Dystopic

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by dfxm12 »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #8

I really want to stress that while the internet has enabled just about everyone to act as a citizen journalist, it is not the ubiquity of information that matters, but rather, the access to information. YouTube and Google wield great power when it comes to gatekeeping information. The sinister part is that plenty of people, left and right, will defend Google's ability to do this merely because they are "a private com…

When we're ingrained to all but deify corporatism, capitalism and laissez faire, it's only natural that the people will think that a private company must be allowed to do what it wants.

Such ingratiation has also poisoned the well against even considering options like having a strong/big government step in, handing Google over to the people, etc.

As long as greed is good, cash is king, and stock prices are equated with the economy, you're not going to see anyone challenge the status quo of a corporation acting in their own best interest, not mine or yours or ours.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by BitwiseFool »

gknoy wrote: post #51
BitwiseFool wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope this comes back to bite them. I already find myself not watching as many videos simply because I can't gauge the like/dislike ratio on them. In the short term I expect an explosion in clickbait and low quality videos because people won't be able to immediately see that the video is bogus from dislike counts. I suspect people will tend to retreat into watching the channels they already like and cut down…

I find what you said really interesting, mainly because I don't think I've _ever_ used likes or dislikes (or their ratio) as a metric for choosing what to watch. The most I've interacted with dislikes is when seeing some helpful low-production-value video, or some artist's music stream, I've wondered why 1-3% of the viewers disliked it. I mean, even when I've found _better_ or _more informative_ videos, I've never be…

I have a great example that illustrates my use of likes/dislikes as a filter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCSX-u01eM

The video is titled: "Boeing C-17 Globemaster Jet Crash All Hell breaks loose". It has 2,302,640 views and I took a screenshot of the like/dislike metrics before the change took place. 1.6K Upvoted, 21K Downvoted.

The spoiler is that the plane taking off never actually crashes. It just looks like it will because of the camera angle. The uploader wrote "I made this video to start a conversation and it has certainly started a conversation ..." but has disabled comments. The video is a complete and total lie and the ratio reflected that. Without comments, you have nothing else to warn you about the video. From now on, you will have to rely on the fact that a video viewed two million times only has one and a half thousand likes as a proxy.

Granted, I know some videos are prone to have bad-looking ratios because they are discussing contentious topics. I give those a wide berth and don't immediately dismiss them because they have a 60-40 like dislike ratio.

Re: YouTube takes down independent court livestreams

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Post by HideousKojima »

nawgz wrote: post #55
HideousKojima wrote: post #41

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What does this piece of misdirection have to do with the fact that this channel promoted - falsely - anti-vaccine myths and in doing so made TOS-violating statements? It is clear that government and corporation are both largely morally devoid institutions in the modern age, but this doesn't even rely on any traditional sense of trust. The data is published and we can see what it does and doesn't do, and if you want t…

>The data is published and we can see what it does and doesn't do

See my last link

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