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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by oxplot »

nrp wrote: post #17
atemerev wrote: post #6

“We only deliver to the US and Canada”. OK, will have to stay with my Macbook.

We’re actively building the infrastructure to launch in additional countries. It’s a challenging logistical environment at the moment, but we very much built and certified the product to be broadly available, and we are reminded of the interest in that daily!

I'd like to give a huge shout out to nrp, founder of Framework, for being super active on the Framework community forum, here on HN and I assume in 10 other places, answering questions, helping with debugging issues down to nitty gritty technical details.

For a founder, this is very unusual because there is an entire business to take care of and yet he finds time for all the above as well.

Thanks Nirav.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by dagw »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #56
maltalex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux.

That's not true in this case. Framework charge you the full $140 for Windows Home and $200 if you want Windows Pro.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

mdp2021 wrote: post #19

There are no fanless CPUs among the options, and the consumptions are not explicit. The only battery mentioned is 55Wh. CPUs with the lowest consumption are (sorry for the obvious points) -- battery efficient, allow for more work per charge; -- silent, requiring no fan; -- often cheaper; -- still quite fast for normal use. So, I would not do without...

CPUs with higher power consumption are:

- Irrelevant regarding battery life because I can get from my office to the conference room to my shop to my home and back to my office long before the battery dies even with hamstrung sleep states in modern processors; everywhere I work it's plugged in to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and wall socket and I can't understand why you would use it otherwise.

- Still quiet, because the large heatsink is able to cool it while doing little work, and a large-diameter and thick fan doesn't have to spin like a jet turbine to cool it when it does need active cooling

- Really, really cheap per hour to operate over years of critical usage; if I quote my time at $100/hr, use a computer for 40 hours a week for 100 weeks, and am more effective by even 1%, you could easily justify spending $4,000; realistically a bigger processor is far less than that.

- Still quite fast even when I'm doing real work, unlike underpowered CPUs that throttle whenever I'm actually getting something done.

so I would not work with an underpowered processor.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Rebelgecko »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #56
maltalex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux.

That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by aunty_helen »

maltalex wrote: post #53
Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

It’s ‘possible’ maybe unlikely at 3€

However there is a license recycling market that buy up unused or reassignable licenses from say software shops that have gone under and still have 100 visual studio licenses etc

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Mikeb85 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #65
Mikeb85 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux.

Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by kkielhofner »

Note that if you’re building a framework with the intent of using Linux avoid the “vpro” variant of the Intel wireless adapter:

https://community.frame.work/t/using-the-ax210-with-linux-on...

Last I checked with every recommended config tweak you still lose ~3% battery per hour of suspend, which really adds up and is extremely annoying.

We’ve been asking framework to include a notice referencing this issue when configuring but as of the last time I checked they haven’t.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by aunty_helen »

I can’t wait until they offer amd ryzen and come in a 15-16 inch form factor… no really I can’t wait, I ordered a framework yesterday tehehe

If it’s good and I want to continue with it as my daily I’ll keep supporting them when the bigger ryznier laptops ship too.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by 0des »

fsflover wrote: post #64
0des wrote: post #21

Can't wait for them to offer AMD systems. It's a preference of mine to not use Intel products.

Actually you can at least disable Intel ME, but you can do nothing with AMD PSP.

Thank you for the reply, however, I cannot disable my personal values and preferences.
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