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AMP Has Irreparably Damaged Publishers’ Trust in Google-Led Initiatives

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Post by secondcoming »

iamacyborg wrote: post #54
hayksaakian wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

advertisers pay more per impression when they can target better. Publishers show ads and get paid from advertisers. (simplified)

The problem is, the really big publishers have a cachet to the point where ad targeting works against them. As an advertiser, why would I pay big money to target an ad to the affluent New Yorker reading audience when I can target those same people for pennies on the dollar on other websites?

'Brand Safety'... advertisers are very keen on this. They don't want their ads being flung across the dregs of the internet. Take grindr as an example... this app was blacklisted by most advertisers not because of homophobia, but because they don't want their brand appearing next to potentially pornographic content.

The same happened when covid first broke out. Brand conscious advertisers didn't want to be associated with any covid-related content, no matter what the context.

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Post by Havoc »

ashtonkem wrote: post #30

Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

>Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool.

And same rest of FAANG. Though Apple and Netflix still seem to be evil-lite for now

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Post by matheusmoreira »

petee wrote: post #58
pmontra wrote: post #14

If they are really displeased with Google, and I'm sure they are, they should run a campaign to invite users of their sites to install a browser different than Chrome. If they manage to destroy Google's quasi monopoly on the browser they'll make Google less powerful overall.

Maybe developers could stop designing websites that only work on Chrome too? I'm tired of seeing "your browser is unsupported" and denied access while using a chromium based alternative. Or broken features because someone had to have their bells and whistles

> I'm tired of seeing "your browser is unsupported" and denied access while using a chromium based alternative.

It's like Internet Explorer all over again! Why would anyone do this?

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Post by grammarnazzzi »

ashtonkem wrote: post #30

Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

> The complaint states that AMP’s speed benefits “were also at least partly a result of Google’s throttling. Google throttles the load time of non-AMP ads by giving them artificial one-second delays in order to give Google AMP a ‘nice comparative boost.‘”

Be evil.

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #45
Animats wrote: post #22

It was clear that Google had turned to the dark side when Eric Schmidt first spoke at the Search Engine Strategies conference in 2006. Until then, SEO was the enemy. Google and Yahoo had previously sponsored a conference in 2005 on squashing search engine spam. What's new is that Google has now managed to alienate ad-supported publishers, their paying customers, as well.

Because they can. They have no competition. Like MS in the 90'. Don't worry, in 20 years, all their PR will say they are your best friend again. They will be the underdog for some unforseen reason, and will suddenly call for respecting your private life, encrypting everything and give power to the user. The way MS does it for open source today. It's the circle of life for corporations.

Perhaps now people understand why they were booted from China.

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Post by bsenftner »

Havoc wrote: post #62
ashtonkem wrote: post #30

Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. It’s demonstrated itself to be unreliable, capricious, and absolutely willing to break the law if it thinks it can get away with it. Do business with them if you absolutely must, but under no circumstance should you actually trust them.

>Honestly at this point, if you trust google you’re a fool. And same rest of FAANG. Though Apple and Netflix still seem to be evil-lite for now

Corporations, NGO, governments and any 3rd party person or group capable of treating you as an anonymous other is the untrustworthy world we find ourselves.

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Post by thatguy0900 »

skinkestek wrote: post #49
pabs3 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Owning the browser that the majority use means they basically do own the web.

I wonder how many Firefox downloads a week originates from HN these weeks. Also, recent research has svown me that people on Slashdot doesn't like Google Chrome either.

Every Firefox thread is filled with how sucky Firefox is, too. Might be driving just as many people to stay on Chrome.

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Post by e3bc54b2 »

d3nj4l wrote: post #57
throaway46546 wrote: post #48

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I swear google outright punishes you for using Firefox with any of their services. Major annoyance for me right now is paste is broken on their terminal emulator when connecting to a Compute Engine VM instance over SSH.

Oh, they won't do it blatantly, but every thing will be broken in small, barely noticeable ways - just one feature here that uses a chrome-only non standard API, just one invisible div here that destroys performance on Firefox but not on Chrome - that add up to be annoying. I clearly remember when I had to use Google Sheets heavily for work, a bunch of small yet grating bugs pushed me over the edge into using Chrome…

This is beautiful. It is just likeS with all the hacks in Windows that made their software utterly reliant on each other being still standing. Then when the paradigm shift came, none of their technology (nor culture) was able to advance fast enough and we are here today.

It made Microsoft utterly wealthy and able to survive for another decade until they were able to transition to services, so not everything is rosy. But, they are not the only option anymore.

With another paradigm shift, Google won't be either.

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Post by DeathArrow »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #67
skinkestek wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many Firefox downloads a week originates from HN these weeks. Also, recent research has svown me that people on Slashdot doesn't like Google Chrome either.

Every Firefox thread is filled with how sucky Firefox is, too. Might be driving just as many people to stay on Chrome.

Recognizing that Firefox is sucky is the first step to make it unsucky.

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Post by cerved »

ctack wrote: post #20
DevKoala wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome’s stronghold on the web and their ability to delay the death of the cookie allows advertisers to continue doing micro targeting and thus paying more per impression. Publishers would be shooting themselves in the foot if they steer users away from Chrome.

If they’re paying more per impression how is that shooting themselves in the foot?

Advertisers pay publishers per ad impression.
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