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The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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What I always find a little bit suspect about these posts – especially from FogCreek – is that it's really, "The Price of Dev Happiness As Long As You Define Happiness The Way Your Boss (Me) Does". I prefer sitting cross-legged with a 13" laptop on a mat on the floor. I've had most of the things mentioned in the article and prefer my mat on the floor, thank you very much. But I'm just a random example. More of what I…

I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

Joel, let me introduce to a wonderful phrase: Haters gonna hate.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joel doesn't believe in telecommuting. One way to ensure it stays that way is workstations. (And if you can't work from home, you do get more power for less money in a workstation)

Some corrections: (1) it doesn't matter what I believe in. We now have telecommuters at both Stack Exchange and Fog Creek and for the right individual, it's fine. (2) this doesn't follow. Do you really think we give people desktop computers simply to make it impossible for them to work from home? That's silly. Anyway, the telecommuters we do have almost exclusively use desktop computers. You know why? Because once yo…

I actually program on a 30" monitor connected to a laptop, so that doesn't follow either...

edit also I guess I stand corrected on point 1, I wasn't trying to be rude, but you had in the past said telecommuting was essentially against what you were trying to build as a team at FogCreek.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

After reading a detailed article about how we spend [...] do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair [...] The place that I worked that had such nice equipment basically did exactly that: you were given your standard issue equipment with virtually zero flexibility (amusingly other than keyboard and mouse, just like your setup). That said, the impression mostly comes from the way that you write abou…

and then very precise definitions of those things.

I understood the post in a very different way. There were no definitions, but lots of concrete examples.

It is a staple of writing guidelines that one should be concrete rather than abstract, specific rather than general, etc. The reason for this is that it is easier for people to reason up to the general principle than down to the specifics.

The concrete examples make it more understandable.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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            ========================
            | Interesting | Boring |
            |    Work     |  Work  |
  ==================================
  |  Nice  ||   Heaven    |  Read  |
  | Office ||             |   HN.  |
  |--------||-------------+--------|
  |  Bad   ||   No one    |  Kill  | 
  | Office ||   cares.    |   me.  |
  ==================================

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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Personally, I hate Aeron chairs with a passion. Obviously, the overall point here is to keep developers happy, so I'd presume FogCreek allows developers to opt for different/better chairs. I just don't understand why these are considered the pinnacle of comfort. Is it just me? Am I the only person who finds everything about them to hideously uncomfortable, from the jabby knife in the back lumbar support to the circul…

An Aeron of the wrong size will definitely kill circulation in your thighs. The difference is surprisingly obvious once you try the various sizes.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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How many dev shops still give everyone workstations? Our company is entirely on laptops and I don't know a single person here that wants a workstation.

I have a laptop. I think I'd rather have a workstation, or at least: more RAM & CPU cores (for VMs), a faster hard drive, a taller monitor with a lot more pixels, a mouse with a scroll wheel, and a numpad. Also more USB ports would be nice.

I have a large screen monitor, mouse, and usb hub at my desk that I plug in to when working there.

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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What I always find a little bit suspect about these posts – especially from FogCreek – is that it's really, "The Price of Dev Happiness As Long As You Define Happiness The Way Your Boss (Me) Does". I prefer sitting cross-legged with a 13" laptop on a mat on the floor. I've had most of the things mentioned in the article and prefer my mat on the floor, thank you very much. But I'm just a random example. More of what I…

I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

FWIW, I really appreciated the post, Joel. I'm actually in the process of buying a lot of this stuff for myself due to accepting a new telecommuting job. I need to furnish my home office, and as understanding as my wife is, it's hard to explain to her why this costs what it does. I probably won't spend what you do at FogCreek, but it at least relieved me of the feeling that I was misspending our money. (My tentative stack for those that care: MacBook Air, Thunderbolt Display, GeekDesk, and ? for chair)

Re: The Price of (Dev) Happiness: Part One

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How many dev shops still give everyone workstations? Our company is entirely on laptops and I don't know a single person here that wants a workstation.

I can't do serious dev work on a laptop. Too underpowered. Everyone here gets a laptop, but it's for working in bed, or on the road, at your child's birth, etc... But for day to day dev work, a high-end workstation is a fair bit more productive. At least for the type of dev work we do.

For me the main problem with laptops is the bad ergonomics.

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What I always find a little bit suspect about these posts – especially from FogCreek – is that it's really, "The Price of Dev Happiness As Long As You Define Happiness The Way Your Boss (Me) Does". I prefer sitting cross-legged with a 13" laptop on a mat on the floor. I've had most of the things mentioned in the article and prefer my mat on the floor, thank you very much. But I'm just a random example. More of what I…

I love the way people on the Internet always find a way to misinterpret every post in the worst possible way, no matter how little sense they make. After reading a detailed article about how we spend over $5000 to make sure our developers are comfortable at work, do you really think that we then CHAIN them to an Aeron chair and REQUIRE that they use 30" monitors even if they prefer sitting cross-legged on the floor w…

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