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The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by dSebastien »

sdoering wrote: post #35
andi999 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but I fear that this is actually too much Infos (and I am not interested in his field)

I strongly believe one can't understand this method and the sheer amount of effort necessary to consistently tend to this system and keep it alive (like Luhmann) did without the deep explanations and also at least diving into the examples of Luhmann's zettelkasten as it is digitalized. Nonetheless - I also do not believe, that a lot of people would benefit from the zettelkasten system. It has in my opinion a very nar…

I personally look at this method (and others) as means to help keeping track of discoveries and knowledge in general. I believe that it is useful for all knowledge workers, but especially for academics & content creators.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by Jwarder »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #3
FrozenVoid wrote: post #2

Zim is what i use for notetaking, its essentially tree-like notes allowing expanding ideas and focusing on stuff without any paper limits, you can also attach images/files to notes.

I tried this, but the system falls apart when I want to jot down a few notes quickly. Maybe I should give reMarkable a try.

I wonder how much trouble with notetaking stems from people trying a one size fits all method. Personally, I have three tiers of notes.

A physical notepad for meetings, random ideas, test results, that sort of thing. My goal is to write down items when I suspect I'll forget them in the next 30 seconds.

At the end of the day I'll take 10 minutes review what I've done, with the physical notes as a starting point, and log my activity and open questions per project. My goal at this point is to keep enough context to answer the inevitable "WTF was I thinking?" in a few days. Usually just taking the time to outline things means I can remember the key points.

Finally there is a team wiki where I record details per project. Feature wishlist, customer requests, work with other departments, Q&A. My goal here is to make sure my replacement isn't totally lost after I get hit by a bus.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by michaelcampbell »

gexla wrote: post #14
WA wrote: post #9

The verbosity around Zettelkasten baffles me. It is a simple system, but most posts explaining it are like 5,000 words long.

Seems like we see this everywhere. Bob is highly productive and comes up with a "system" which he uses to be productive. Bob probably would have been productive with any other system, he's just a productive guy. Joe reads Bob's book and picks up this system thinking he'll be just like Bob. The story ends with Joe giving up on his dreams and taking a day job entering data into spreadsheets. Bob was smart though, he ma…

So, "agile", then?

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by Kappa90 »

We're developing Saga [0] and we have many users using it for Zettelkasten, although it's not our main value proposition.

Why: Saga automatically links pages one to another, so it builds your wiki/knowledge system automatically for you.

You can also group pages in "Collections", which are smart tags similar to the Zettelkasten tagging method, which allows users to easily recollect and find notes.

I welcome anybody to try Saga for Zettelkasten and give us feedback on how we can make it a better tool for this use case!

[0] https://saga.so

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by twic »

bodge5000 wrote: post #21

Time for the daily/weekly/monthly note taking and productivity thread! On a serious note, I actually like these threads. Earlier in the year I decided to look into better note taking and task management, and it became an entire month of me gradually becoming more and more stressed about it. HN was actually a great source for this, mostly because a lot of the people on here seem a bit less "into it" than dedicated sou…

Who is the audience for these threads?

The only time in my life i've taken substantial quantities of notes was when i was a student. When i've had a job, the learning i do isn't the kind where i'm making copious notes.

Are there a lot of students on HN? Are there a lot of people doing out-of-hours study? Do people make lots of notes at work? Is this productivity LARP?

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by dredmorbius »

tastyminerals2 wrote: post #30

When someone says that they used this and that technique to increase their research productivity, I always think about TRIZ and the fact that so few ppl know about it.

Helps to provide at a minimum some context:

TRIZ (/ˈtriːz/; Russian: теория решения изобретательских задач, teoriya resheniya izobretatelskikh zadatch), literally: "theory of inventive problem solving " is “the next evolutionary step in creating an organized and systematic approach to problem solving. The development and improvement of products and technologies according to TRIZ are guided by the objective Laws of Engineering System Evolution. TRIZ Problem Solving Tools and Methods are based on them.”[1] In another description, TRIZ is "a problem-solving, analysis and forecasting tool derived from the study of patterns of invention in the global patent literature".[2] It was developed by the Soviet inventor and science-fiction author Genrich Altshuller (1926-1998) and his colleagues, beginning in 1946. In English the name is typically rendered as the theory of inventive problem solving,[3][4] and occasionally goes by the English acronym TIPS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIZ

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by pionar »

twic wrote: post #65
bodge5000 wrote: post #21

Time for the daily/weekly/monthly note taking and productivity thread! On a serious note, I actually like these threads. Earlier in the year I decided to look into better note taking and task management, and it became an entire month of me gradually becoming more and more stressed about it. HN was actually a great source for this, mostly because a lot of the people on here seem a bit less "into it" than dedicated sou…

Who is the audience for these threads? The only time in my life i've taken substantial quantities of notes was when i was a student. When i've had a job, the learning i do isn't the kind where i'm making copious notes. Are there a lot of students on HN? Are there a lot of people doing out-of-hours study? Do people make lots of notes at work? Is this productivity LARP?

ADHD sufferer here, taking notes is ESSENTIAL.

I don't have a system though, just a series of OneNote notebooks that I organize when I can get to it.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by hnrj95 »

bodge5000 wrote: post #21

Time for the daily/weekly/monthly note taking and productivity thread! On a serious note, I actually like these threads. Earlier in the year I decided to look into better note taking and task management, and it became an entire month of me gradually becoming more and more stressed about it. HN was actually a great source for this, mostly because a lot of the people on here seem a bit less "into it" than dedicated sou…

org-roam is kind of a port of this type of tooling to the org ecosystem in emacs, and i’ve found it extraordinarily helpful both for design/architecture on the job and for learning things, both rote and otherwise

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by amimetic »

bodge5000 wrote: post #21

Time for the daily/weekly/monthly note taking and productivity thread! On a serious note, I actually like these threads. Earlier in the year I decided to look into better note taking and task management, and it became an entire month of me gradually becoming more and more stressed about it. HN was actually a great source for this, mostly because a lot of the people on here seem a bit less "into it" than dedicated sou…

This "Dev builds perfect note-taking system which only stores info about building note-taking systems": https://www.theolognion.com/dev-builds-perfect-note-taking-s... is well timed
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