The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by tablet » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

The Zettelkasten Method (2019)
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Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by FrozenVoid » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 7:45 AM UTC

Zim is what i use for notetaking, its essentially tree-like notes allowing expanding ideas and focusing on stuff without any paper limits, you can also attach images/files to notes.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by sydthrowaway » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

FrozenVoid wrote: post #2

Zim is what i use for notetaking, its essentially tree-like notes allowing expanding ideas and focusing on stuff without any paper limits, you can also attach images/files to notes.

I tried this, but the system falls apart when I want to jot down a few notes quickly. Maybe I should give reMarkable a try.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by andi999 » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

Tried understanding Zettelkasten for a while, searched the internet, bought one/some books. But it was always too light on examples. I need full beefed out examples (like a 100 pages Zettelkasten) or let's say 10 pages. Of course you can say one doesn't need it, but isn't the value of any method to be benificial if done as designed?

This article seems to be the closest of having good examples.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by CraigJPerry » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

I tried hard to like this, i still have my “second brain” collection in onenote (which worked surprisingly well across linux, Windows & mac) but i don’t add to it anymore.

However PARA has just proven more ergonomic and far less time consuming for me. https://fortelabs.co/blog/para/

1. I don’t waste time trying to eek out atomic thoughts, PARA is a more pragmatic idea - if some bit of knowledge proves useful it will get incrementally refined

2. It works exceedingly well if your productivity system is based on GTD

3. I don’t waste time trying to link things sufficiently, instead i dump the folder of reference material in the active project using it. So simple, and quite a satisfying “cheat”

All this said, it’s like time management. I’m less convinced that there’s a “right” answer than i am that there is a wrong answer and the wrong answer is not to have a strategy and just let the tidal wave of digital artifacts wash over you.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by disabled » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 6:05 AM UTC

CraigJPerry wrote: post #5

I tried hard to like this, i still have my “second brain” collection in onenote (which worked surprisingly well across linux, Windows & mac) but i don’t add to it anymore. However PARA has just proven more ergonomic and far less time consuming for me. https://fortelabs.co/blog/para/ 1. I don’t waste time trying to eek out atomic thoughts, PARA is a more pragmatic idea - if some bit of knowledge proves useful it will…

There is some obscenely expensive program for that (I have tried to search for traces of it online). I should do an advanced search again, using key words from the YouTube video below. The course is here: https://www.buildingasecondbrain.com/

Anyways, there is this guy who is really good at hacking life who describes it and took the course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP3dA2GcAh8

Anyways, his channel is interesting for sure: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoOae5nYA7VqaXzerajD0lg

He was also #1 student in psychology at Cambridge as an undergrad.

Anyways, chances are the course is ideas plagiarized from somewhere else. That's why I have searched for the source. I found a good written source for finding key words to do advanced search queries to find the original source: https://www.rylncoaching.com/post/why-i-have-a-second-brain-...

I found high quality illustrated notes on it, too, which will be really helpful for locating wherever the course material is originally from: https://maggieappleton.com/basb

For searching text of books with advanced queries, the best place is here (world's biggest online library): https://www.bookshare.org/search

Google Books is best for previewing books.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by mongol » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 6:16 AM UTC

disabled wrote: post #6

CraigJPerry wrote: post #5

I tried hard to like this, i still have my “second brain” collection in onenote (which worked surprisingly well across linux, Windows & mac) but i don’t add to it anymore. However PARA has just proven more ergonomic and far less time consuming for me. https://fortelabs.co/blog/para/ 1. I don’t waste time trying to eek out atomic thoughts, PARA is a more pragmatic idea - if some bit of knowledge proves useful it will…

There is some obscenely expensive program for that (I have tried to search for traces of it online). I should do an advanced search again, using key words from the YouTube video below. The course is here: https://www.buildingasecondbrain.com/ Anyways, there is this guy who is really good at hacking life who describes it and took the course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP3dA2GcAh8 Anyways, his channel is interesti…

Did you take the course?

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by __bjoernd » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 6:23 AM UTC

andi999 wrote: post #4

Tried understanding Zettelkasten for a while, searched the internet, bought one/some books. But it was always too light on examples. I need full beefed out examples (like a 100 pages Zettelkasten) or let's say 10 pages. Of course you can say one doesn't need it, but isn't the value of any method to be benificial if done as designed? This article seems to be the closest of having good examples.

You might want to check out the Obsidian.md forums. Obviously, focusing on Obsidian as a note taking tool, but they have sections where users demonstrate their workflows: https://forum.obsidian.md

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by WA » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 6:24 AM UTC

The verbosity around Zettelkasten baffles me. It is a simple system, but most posts explaining it are like 5,000 words long.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by dang » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 6:33 AM UTC

Past related threads:

Org-roam-UI – graphical front end for exploring your org-roam Zettelkasten - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28025491 - Aug 2021 (44 comments)

My Second Brain – Zettelkasten - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25802277 - Jan 2021 (103 comments)

Introduction to the Zettelkasten Method - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24916536 - Oct 2020 (73 comments)

Luhmann's Original Zettelkasten Digitalized - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24794569 - Oct 2020 (6 comments)

Remembering what you Read: Zettelkasten vs. P.A.R.A - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251068 - Aug 2020 (62 comments)

Zettelkasten note-taking in 10 minutes - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23445742 - June 2020 (124 comments)

Stop Taking Regular Notes; Use a Zettelkasten Instead - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386630 - June 2020 (300 comments)

Ask HN: Thinking of using Zettelkasten , recommend software/platform - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22979257 - April 2020 (5 comments)

Luhmann's Zettelkasten - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22085837 - Jan 2020 (83 comments)

Zettelkästen? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21208196 - Oct 2019 (90 comments)