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Re: Firefox 90

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Post by johnchristopher »

tempest_ wrote: post #49
metalliqaz wrote: post #7

Honestly I'm still not used to the new tab style that was introduced last time. 90 seems fine, but not much to get excited about from the user perspective.

I remember seeing a lot of complaining about the tabs in the last release thread but they dont seem to bother me at all. What is the issue with the new tabs?

Personally, very very personally, I don't like the look, I prefer all my apps to be themed by the OS and to use the underlying widgets. That's not how FF is built though but that's okay since when they do bring change like that I still can user userchrome (I still can user userChrome, right ?) /meme.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

johnchristopher wrote: post #56

> The "Open Image in New Tab" context menu item now opens images and media in a background tab by default. Learn more Ahaaaa ! Yes ! I could have sworn it had been the default behavior and it got changed at some point but I never bothered to track that down. Can anyone confirm ?

So based on the Learn more link it basically now follows what links do. It'll have been better if images and links had a different option. (And it'll have been much better if View image hadn't been removed.)

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by tapoxi »

historyloop wrote: post #19
tapoxi wrote: post #5

I think Firefox has ~5% of our user base. It's hard to justify running separate tests for it anymore. I wish they'd just become a privacy-focused Chromium fork because I don't see them crawling back to a meaningful marketshare at this rate. (Yeah I know multiple implementations and all that, but we don't have many people running FreeBSD just to give Linux some competition.)

Google already singlehandedly controls the web standards. Firefox and Safari are the last obstacles to them basically privatizing the web. The independent Chromium distributions do very little to that effect, as they're not incentivized to specifically disable features Google puts in. If Firefox goes away, kiss the open web goodbye. We'll have it on paper, but just that. It'll be Google's web.

I mean sure, but realistically speaking, how can we afford to continue supporting Firefox? I can't make a plea to the CTO of "Please let us keep investing money in compatibility because it may have a minor impact on the open web."

Firefox is in a downward trajectory for marketshare and mindshare. I would love to hear a realistic solution to this problem. Maybe switching to WebKit?

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by jmrm »

marcodiego wrote: post #23
ducktective wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of university file dumps are served on FTP...

I used to add '+"index of"' when searching for files or dumps using google. It still works, but definitely not as good as a few years ago. A past time: typing '+"index of" main.dfm' to see what people were developing using delphi. '+"index of" dire straits sultans of swing mp3' still kind of works.

I have tested and still works even with actual and a bit obscure software

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by coder543 »

awoimbee wrote: post #29
buu700 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, Firefox actually has better performance than Chrome nowadays — particularly on Apple Silicon, where the difference is stark and dramatic. And with the new "Proton" interface, IMO Firefox finally looks at least as nice as Chrome out of the box. Firefox mobile still has some catching up to do on the overall UI/UX, but it's not too far off, and the fact that it allows extensions is nice.

But chrome uses the GPU a lot more, thus making everything faster. Firefox right now is like Linux a few years back: better CPU performance but little to no GPU acceleration

> But chrome uses the GPU a lot more

[citation needed]

Firefox page rendering is GPU accelerated. It's called WebRender. Your information seems to be out of date.

Article from 2017 when WebRender was still being prepared for release: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2017/10/the-whole-web-at-maximum-f...

Current platform support list, which seems to be "almost everyone": https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/WebRender_Where

Re: Firefox 90

#66

Post by vbezhenar »

wongarsu wrote: post #42
vbezhenar wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is the real alternative keeping web open. Firefox does not serve that role anymore.

Safari is only available on one platform (that internationally has a small market share) and isn't all that great about implementing web standards in a timely manner. To me, Firefox is the far better alternative. But really, why should there be only one?

Safari is used by rich people who can afford iPhones and Macs. Those people are valuable visitors for many websites. And Safari marketshare (with iOS) is not tiny. So plenty of websites do care about Safari compatibility.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by shakow »

tempest_ wrote: post #49
metalliqaz wrote: post #7

Honestly I'm still not used to the new tab style that was introduced last time. 90 seems fine, but not much to get excited about from the user perspective.

I remember seeing a lot of complaining about the tabs in the last release thread but they dont seem to bother me at all. What is the issue with the new tabs?

IMHO, they're pretty, but waste quite some space for no gain apart prettinnes.

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by pseudalopex »

johnchristopher wrote: post #56

> The "Open Image in New Tab" context menu item now opens images and media in a background tab by default. Learn more Ahaaaa ! Yes ! I could have sworn it had been the default behavior and it got changed at some point but I never bothered to track that down. Can anyone confirm ?

The default was the same tab until Firefox 88. They changed it to a new tab to match Chrome. And removed the same tab option because they couldn't imagine why anyone would want it.[1]

[1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1699128#c3

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by rvz »

historyloop wrote: post #19
tapoxi wrote: post #5

I think Firefox has ~5% of our user base. It's hard to justify running separate tests for it anymore. I wish they'd just become a privacy-focused Chromium fork because I don't see them crawling back to a meaningful marketshare at this rate. (Yeah I know multiple implementations and all that, but we don't have many people running FreeBSD just to give Linux some competition.)

Google already singlehandedly controls the web standards. Firefox and Safari are the last obstacles to them basically privatizing the web. The independent Chromium distributions do very little to that effect, as they're not incentivized to specifically disable features Google puts in. If Firefox goes away, kiss the open web goodbye. We'll have it on paper, but just that. It'll be Google's web.

It's a two horse race, and its Chrome vs Safari. Firefox is non-existent in this race and is so behind that Google pays hundreds of millions to its creator Mozilla, which contributes a significant amount to their entire revenue source.

I hate to be the one to bring in 'the facts' but Firefox itself is becoming more irrelevant and there is no question on that. Microsoft Edge (using Chromium) is used more than Firefox [0] and global Firefox usage has been declining ever since. [1]

As I said before [2] the Chrome ecosystem has given Google the dominance of more than just the web standards and the web developers were happy to live with this.

I'd say the so called 'open web' just exchanged from one behemoth to another.

To Downvoters: So 'Firefox is the most used and dominant browser and Chrome is in second place'? So 'Google is not paying Firefox in the millions'? I strongly disagree and can confidently say that Firefox usage is dying. Change my mind.

I have just given credible sources to substantiate my claims yet no counter arguments or disproving the facts are presented towards my comment.

[0] https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-edge-just-left-a-se...

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop-mobi...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27769206

Re: Firefox 90

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Post by metalliqaz »

akho wrote: post #57
metalliqaz wrote: post #7

Honestly I'm still not used to the new tab style that was introduced last time. 90 seems fine, but not much to get excited about from the user perspective.

The tab bar is functionally useless if you have > 10 tabs open, so I don't even know why I'd notice. Aesthetically, it's fine for me. Option to hide it completely (replacing with a mobile-style full-screen modal view with properly sized previews and keyboard navigation / fuzzy finding if you allow me to dream) would be nice.

I started using Tree Style Tab to manage them, and I like that very much. I agree, a mobile-style manager would be interesting.
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