Scenarios in which Tesla FSD Beta 9.0 fails

Post by darknavi » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:15 PM UTC

H8crilA wrote: post #54

wedn3sday wrote: post #28

I watched a human driver in a BMW weave at 90 mph through traffic yesterday, swerving back and forth between lanes inches from other peoples cars. If Tesla can make a car that's even 1% less dangerous than human drivers, that could be thousands of deaths avoided every year. Humans should not be allowed to drive cars on public streets.

You know there's a very old and working solution to this specific problem, it's calling the police and reporting the license plate numbers so that the driver is punished for reckless behavior. Technology made it much easier via dashcams.

Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:16 PM UTC

Syonyk wrote: post #17

ethbr0 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safely operating a motor vehicle via a steering wheel, accelerator, and brake (and sometimes clutch and gearshift) is a completely different skillset than monitoring an automated system in realtime. Novel skill requirements include: interpreting FSD UI, anticipating common errors, recognizing intent behind FSD actions, & remaining vigilant even during periods of autonomous success.

The history of human machine interactions makes it clear that if you have the human as the primary control (in the main decision loop, operating things) and the automation watching over their shoulders, it works pretty well. The opposite - where the automation handles the common case, with the human watching, simply does not work. It's not worked in aviation, it's not worked in industrial systems, it's not worked in…

Post by w0m » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

dangoor wrote: post #19

croes wrote: post #4

I doubt that autonomous driving will work in the next couple of years without infrastructure adjustments. We built roads for cars to replace horses, we will need to built roads for autonmous cars to replace human driven cars.

I live in a place with fairly snowy winters, which seems like a huge problem for self-driving cars. I completely agree with this thought that we should work on making our roads help the self-driving cars. If we had started that effort several years back, we would likely have a lot of road miles that could safely handle self-driving vehicles. If we start now, in several years we'll have a bunch of road miles ready for…

Post by visarga » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:17 PM UTC

darknavi wrote: post #6

nikhizzle wrote: post #3

Does anyone have any insight as to why regulators allow a beta like this on the road with drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes? IMHO this puts everybody and their children at risk so Tesla can beta test earlier, but I would love to corrected.

> drivers who are not trained to specifically respond to it's mistakes What would this entail? Perhaps some sort of "license" which allows the user to operator a motor vehicle?

Post by w0m » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

dekhn wrote: post #55

bsagdiyev wrote: post #51

Why are there so many comments from seemingly different posters all saying the same thing on this, "I don't understand why humans are allowed to drive cars"? It feels kinda... culty? Or too similar to be a coincidence. It honestly probably is but these Tesla posts always bring out those types and it confuses me. Humans kill humans, do we want machines to start doing it on the road automatically now too?

I think the idea is, if humans were held to the standards machines are, we wouldn't let them drive. If you offered me a car that drove itself, and statistically, it killed people at the same rate as humans, but let me not have to drive, I'd take that. Nobody everybody agrees.