How strong is anti vaccine / anti mask movement in the US?
As I see there's very little of it "on the american side of the internet", meanwhile "here" they tend to cause a lot of disruption and shitton of missinformation
There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
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Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#62The question is how much less death will there be in the years to come. Especially the older people who died earlier because of covid. We should see a decline in death from all kinds of diseases that these people had and would have died from/with.
This is an effect referred to as "mortality displacement" -- it tends to happen with bad flu years, heat waves, etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortality_displacement
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#63This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
I suspect there’ll be decades worth of study of this. Hopefully it’ll help the next time.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#64What's that as a percentage?
somewhere in the neighborhood of 10-15% increase in deaths
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#65This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
I don’t have anything to add except that California is huge and very unevenly applied “lockdown” - there are many towns a where businesses remained open or reopened frequently, but the big cities did have large shelter in place efforts. It would be interesting to compare on the municipal level if the data was that granular.
San Francisco had some of the heaviest lockdowns in the country, yet 100 miles east in Modesto the mayor actively defied the statewide lockdowns. California is a big state.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#66This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
To really understand it you’d need to look at cultural, geographic, climate, demographic, etc differences that apply to transmission rates. I’d be curious to see it though, and a similar one for other illnesses.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#67Please don’t look at 7m-13m number and compare it to 7 billion population and say oh it’s only 0.1-0.2%. Pretty much ever country has seen a 15-20% increase in excess mortality rates (20% more people dying than averages in the past), this is huge. This is one of the best up to date visualizations on this topic, scroll down and see breakdowns by country - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386...
I'm not quite sure what your point is. The absolute number is the number, and zooming in to make it a relative number for dramatic effect doesn't change that.
It's kind of like zooming in to a stock market graph so the spikes look bigger.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's disheartening seeing people in the US mad at the 30% vaccine hesitant there, while 6B+ at the gates have no vaccines available at all. The US isn't an island, and the borders are nowhere near closed. The variants that grow in the other 96% of humans that aren't americans will doubtlessly end up there, and will be end up tending toward vaccine resistance due to selection pressure. I think this is going to get muc…
You're getting downvoted but I do believe you're correct. I'm a healthy 21 year old, please govt., give my vaccine to other countries. I will take it if offered, but I'd prefer to give it to those who really need it all things considered. Let me get the vaccine when others are safe.
It’s not going to happen. That’s not the way that distribution works at scale.
Just like the “kids are starving in $country/continent” lines that were often said when I was a kid, it’s horrible and I wish it wasn’t true but whether I clean my plate or not has little to do to help their situation.
Whether you personally take a vaccine dose or a tax credit or whatever that you quality for, it has been allocated and will not be given to anyone else.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#69The earth’s population is 7.9b, so the excess deaths are 0.1% of the population. COVID’s mortality rate is about 0.5%, so roughly 1/5 of the population has has had it (or died of other related things, like starvation in developing countries due to the lockdown stopping food harvests in California). Currently, 1.45b doses of a vaccine have been administered, so about as many people have had the vaccine (partially, at…
COVID mortality rate (deaths / closed cases) is ~2.5% https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That's the CFR, the OP is probably referring to the IFR, which is likely <0.35%
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#70Please don’t look at 7m-13m number and compare it to 7 billion population and say oh it’s only 0.1-0.2%. Pretty much ever country has seen a 15-20% increase in excess mortality rates (20% more people dying than averages in the past), this is huge. This is one of the best up to date visualizations on this topic, scroll down and see breakdowns by country - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386...
“Huge” is very relative. 20% increase of a number that is very low by historical standards is still really low.
Very low? You mean not that many people die, of any cause, typically? Not sure what you are getting at here.