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Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by vlozko »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #18

Seems like too much code to allow in a notification. Doesn't that seem like it would be just rife with potential exploits?

Not sure how macOS does it but iOS has notification service and content extensions. The original notification in itself is pretty lightweight. However, the service extension allows an app to perform additional downloading and data retrieval from which it can augment the notification data. From there, the notification content extension can take this enlarged notification and present a custom, interactive view controller. So yeah, almost none of the data is from the notification itself. I haven’t explored the limits of what APIs are available to a notification content extension but it wouldn’t surprise me if what’s seen here is possible on iOS, too.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by thebigman433 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Another use case is removing notifications: once you message on another device, you want to remove notification on iOS as well. With current notifications it is extremely problematic

What is wrong with this at the moment? Ive noticed Discord does this and it works perfectly fine for me. Its the only app I have thats relevant to this feature, so I just assumed it was fine for everything.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by cameronh90 »

tdrp wrote: post #59
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

We've also run an app with 1 million+ users for a few years, and I can confirm that notifications are a wreck on both platforms, but IMO even more so on Android/FCM. In fact most of our calculations show that we have never gone past 85% delivery of high-pri Android notifications to valid FCM tokens. By high-pri here we mean direct chat messages in an active 1-on-1 chat conversation. This has caused many users to aban…

Until last week I would have been confused by this, but last week my Pixel 4 broke.

While waiting for it to be repaired, I bought a cheap Chinese phone to use as a backup - not sure of the brand but it cost £200.

I don't know what the fuck they did to the operating system, but notifications are completely unreliable. I think there's possibly some aggressive app termination going on, maybe for battery or memory usage. Either way, most of the time I would only get a notification once I open the app. Some apps seem to be more reliable than others - maybe due to whitelisting as you say.

In hindsight, Google allowing these no-QA phones to use the Android branding was a big mistake.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by cameronh90 »

thebigman433 wrote: post #62
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Another use case is removing notifications: once you message on another device, you want to remove notification on iOS as well. With current notifications it is extremely problematic What is wrong with this at the moment? Ive noticed Discord does this and it works perfectly fine for me. Its the only app I have thats relevant to this feature, so I just assumed it was fine for everything.

I have no idea why, as I'm not an iOS developer, but I have to say this is one of the most annoying things about my iPad.

On my android, most notifications disappear if I pick up the message on another device, but invariably my iPad notification center is full of rubbish I've already dealt with elsewhere. I mostly just leave the iPad in do not disturb and never check the notifications.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by karmelapple »

jtbayly wrote: post #53
kitsunesoba wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for apps. Like, you know, proper computers had for maybe 60 years. It's worth noting, however, that desktop and laptop PCs have a surplus of energy relative to mobile phones, so it's no big deal if there's a bunch of processes running in the background doing their thing… usually , anyway, because on PCs it's als…

My M1 MacBook Air unexpectedly gave me a battery low warning today after probably 4 hours of use. I quickly checked Activity Monitor and Dropbox was not responding and using huge amounts of CPU. Yeah. This is a problem.

Did you happen to not have an internet connection at the time? I noticed years ago Dropbox would spike CPU usage on my Mac when WiFi was off or couldn’t reach the outside world, like when on airplane WiFi but without paying for internet access.

I had hoped they fixed that...

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by greenn »

turnerc wrote: post #4
startup_boner wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

punctuation is an obsolete historical artifact in the digital age just like captitalization i would rejoice if text encodings removed them altogether

I cannot tell if this is satirical, I hope so.

I don't know if I'd say obsolete, but a question mark in the tweet, at least for me, would not have clarified or added anything

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by enos_feedler »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #40
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own. That's a very very very shallow thinking. You are advocating to break the internet. You are destroying every internet protocol that ever existed. They all silently deliver information to devices you likely don't own. Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for a…

> Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for apps. Like, you know, proper computers had for maybe 60 years. It's worth noting, however, that desktop and laptop PCs have a surplus of energy relative to mobile phones, so it's no big deal if there's a bunch of processes running in the background doing their thing… usually , anyway, because on PCs it's als…

I think the use cases for running in background indefinitely are so few that it's better to build special purpose APIs rather than general processing on low power cores with caps. The settings page would help but I think it is too complex for the average user to think about. Mobile phones are not PCs and we shouldn't be striving to make them more PC like, even if we can do so under mobile power constraints.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

zamadatix wrote: post #56
chmod775 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Nowadays you should still disable JavaScript as well as video playback in your browser if you want to be safe. There was a brief period some years ago where browsers looked "pretty safe", but we have quickly backtracked by stuffing JS and browsers full of new APIs that are creating new vulnerabilities. Edit: Yes. Downvoting will surely reduce the amount of CVEs. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=ch…

I mean you might as well just disable all connectivity on your computer if you only feel safe by not having CVEs show up in a search. Generally people want to still receive content though and are looking for the safest ways to do that, not ways to re-enact Bubble Boy, and for that browsers actually rank pretty good against most any other ways to get dynamic content.

I’ve run NoScript for years. I selectively enable JS. It’s fine.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by eckza »

chmod775 wrote: post #44
lupire wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A web browser displayed dynamic content all the time and is considered safe.

No. Nowadays you should still disable JavaScript as well as video playback in your browser if you want to be safe. There was a brief period some years ago where browsers looked "pretty safe", but we have quickly backtracked by stuffing JS and browsers full of new APIs that are creating new vulnerabilities. Edit: Yes. Downvoting will surely reduce the amount of CVEs. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=ch…

Dissenters and dissidents stick together; you have my vote.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by Too »

cameronh90 wrote: post #63
tdrp wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've also run an app with 1 million+ users for a few years, and I can confirm that notifications are a wreck on both platforms, but IMO even more so on Android/FCM. In fact most of our calculations show that we have never gone past 85% delivery of high-pri Android notifications to valid FCM tokens. By high-pri here we mean direct chat messages in an active 1-on-1 chat conversation. This has caused many users to aban…

Until last week I would have been confused by this, but last week my Pixel 4 broke. While waiting for it to be repaired, I bought a cheap Chinese phone to use as a backup - not sure of the brand but it cost £200. I don't know what the fuck they did to the operating system, but notifications are completely unreliable. I think there's possibly some aggressive app termination going on, maybe for battery or memory usage.…

Killing idle apps, including Services, is a feature in Android to conserve battery life and to give memory to Activities in more recent use. This might not be as noticeable on high-end-phones.

A lot of shitty written apps are not aware of this and think they can run some while loop in the background to poll their own backend 10 times per second. Eventually that will get killed.

The solution to this is the push apis, or for apps that truly need a background loop to present a persistent notification aka "foreground-service", so the user is aware something heavy is going on in the background. Hearing FCM, which is the suggested push solution, having delivery issues above is not very comfortable.

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