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Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device.

For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifications: once you message on another device, you want to remove notification on iOS as well. With current notifications it is extremely problematic.

(Remaining background notifications in iOS work like shit - and please, do not start discussion that 'it is not needed' - It is BADLY needed, just ask anyone who has developer experience with this wreck)

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by tomrod »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device.

Surely you mean fixed, not broken, as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

tomrod wrote: post #32
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. Surely you mean fixed , not broken, as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

The Apple philosophy is “give users zero agency” – and from that stance, yes, this is a fix. But I remember the days when a computer program was either a game, an extension of the user's will or the BIOS; by that philosophy, this should absolutely be possible. (But computers have been artificially complexified to the point that this isn't viable.)

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

ShaneMcGowan wrote: post #6
startup_boner wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

punctuation is an obsolete historical artifact in the digital age just like captitalization i would rejoice if text encodings removed them altogether

why use lot word when few word do trick

Why so verbose? Concision is sufficient.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

tomrod wrote: post #32
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. Surely you mean fixed , not broken, as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

> as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

That's a very very very shallow thinking. You are advocating to break the internet. You are destroying every internet protocol that ever existed. They all silently deliver information to devices you likely don't own.

Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for apps. Like, you know, proper computers had for maybe 60 years.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

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Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by varenc »

tomrod wrote: post #32
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #31

I'd prefer Apple to fix horrible notifications on iOS. Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. For example in a chat app that syncs with desktop you can deliver incoming messages, showing them as alerts, but you can't deliver your own, because you MUST show alert on every push notification. Another use case is removing notifi…

> Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. Surely you mean fixed , not broken, as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

I’m with you.

Story time: Years ago the Signal app would silently wake up in the background, upload 20MB+ of my contacts’ photos, and then shutdown and do it all over again every time I received a silent notification. Due to my membership in a few large groups this was very often. The result was gigabytes of cellar data usage in a week.

Fortunately my experience was rare because I both had a lot of contacts with photos and I ran the desktop app. But it was infuriating to track down and it made me realize that silent wake ups were even possible on iOS. (Or used to be)

I don’t know what the right balance is, but I think there should be some middle ground.

Re: Did you know you can put a whole game inside of a push notification

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #36
tomrod wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since they broke VoIP background notifications, developers have no way to reliably perform silent delivery of information to device. Surely you mean fixed , not broken, as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own.

> as absolutely no one should be delivering information silently to a device they don't own. That's a very very very shallow thinking. You are advocating to break the internet. You are destroying every internet protocol that ever existed. They all silently deliver information to devices you likely don't own. Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for a…

> Actually, we wouldn't need these dirty perversions with notifications if we had a proper background mode for apps. Like, you know, proper computers had for maybe 60 years.

It's worth noting, however, that desktop and laptop PCs have a surplus of energy relative to mobile phones, so it's no big deal if there's a bunch of processes running in the background doing their thing… usually, anyway, because on PCs it's also shockingly common for background processes to misbehave and consume far more resources than they have any right to. Point in case, the daemon for my Logitech mouse will sometimes consume 120% CPU for no apparent reason for extended periods if I allow it to run.

I could see an argument for extending background capabilities in iOS while also heavily also reducing their potential for bad behavior, though. For example, allowing apps to run in the background indefinitely, but on low power cores only with heavily capped CPU and memory consumption, along with a new Settings page that shows a list of persistent background processes and gives the user direct control over them.

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