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The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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> “If this is a man-made catastrophe,” says Miles Yu, an analyst with the conservative Hudson Institute, “I think the world should seek reparations.” That would open an interesting can of worms. 1. It is common under many (most?) legal systems for those harmed by another's negligence to have a duty to mitigate damages. For example, if I'm burning something on my property and an ember from my fire sets something on fi…

On the world stage there is no court system. All you have is sanctions and war. And it seems unlikely that any significant number of countries are going to sanction an economic power like China over an accident. Look at the weak sanctions put on Russia which annexed a neighbor, and routinely assassinates political rivals.

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most likely accidental if it was premeditated all out global bio-weapon war would happen. Just like assassination of Austro-Hungarian heir Archduke Franz Ferdinand brought domino effect and caused First World war the same would happen now.

Oh, one more thing. If you were in charge and your choices were "Start WW3 with tens of millions of US Casualties" or "ignore the fact that the enemy just killed 400,000 people" what the heck would you do?

What did Bush do when September 11 attacks happened? United States responded by invading Afghanistan in order to fight Talibans and they brought Patriot Act in order to greatly tighten US national security; the act included three main provisions:

expanded abilities of law enforcement to surveil, including by tapping domestic and international phones;

eased interagency communication to allow federal agencies to more effectively use all available resources in counterterrorism efforts; and

increased penalties for terrorism crimes and an expanded list of activities which would qualify someone to be charged with terrorism.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, one more thing. If you were in charge and your choices were "Start WW3 with tens of millions of US Casualties" or "ignore the fact that the enemy just killed 400,000 people" what the heck would you do?

What did Bush do when September 11 attacks happened? United States responded by invading Afghanistan in order to fight Talibans and they brought Patriot Act in order to greatly tighten US national security; the act included three main provisions: expanded abilities of law enforcement to surveil, including by tapping domestic and international phones; eased interagency communication to allow federal agencies to more e…

That's a non-sequitur. Bush wasn't President when this happened.

The critic of Bush who spent the first three years of his term under investigation by the US's intelligence agencies was. If they'd have been doing their job maybe we'd know more about who commissioned the Surgisphere paper, and it would have actually made the news.

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Yeah, sure go look for it more than a year later. That's how it works best. China and WHO spit in the face of the world. And world smiled back and greeted them.

How exactly did the world "smile back and greet them"?

By not doing anything to counteract China's self-interest influence over the whole organization. China turned them in a personal PR agency that went as far as having WHO's head renaming the virus to something that doesn't mention its origins and everyone happily ate it without question.

It's infuriating. The only entity of significant influence that offered some resistance was Trump, but his leadership was compromised and had little to none net support to make a difference.

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Yeah, sure go look for it more than a year later. That's how it works best. China and WHO spit in the face of the world. And world smiled back and greeted them.

Please don't post nationalistic flamewar comments to HN. Comments like this are destructive of the forum, regardless of your views on the underlying issues. Protecting the commons from disintegrating and destroying itself is the higher priority here, for what should be obvious reasons.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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If there's a workaround, it's ok. Users usually post workarounds in the thread.

This is in the FAQ at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html and there's more explanation here:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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It's interesting to see that with Donald Trump out of office, the "lab escape" hypothesis is not roundly dismissed as a right-wing conspiracy theory anymore.

Please don't take HN threads into partisan flamewar. It makes discussions more predictable and nastier, and therefore dumber.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if the motivation for a claim matters.

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Please don't perpetuate flamewars either. This just makes things worse.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Note these:

"Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive."

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

$TOPIC -> Trump -> Hitler is a textbook example of what that last guideline is asking you not to do. We're trying for an end state other than default internet hell.

Re: The WHO-China search for the origins of the coronavirus

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is addressing the theory that the virus was manufactured in a lab, i.e with the intent to release. Not the idea that it was released accidentally. It is very different.

Do you just assume without clicking that every rebuttal to your point must be only addressing deliberate, malicious dissemination of the virus? I even went out of my way to quote the relevant parts of it here so you could immediately see the lack of "intent" without clicking: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26610037

Please omit personal swipes and don't take threads further into flamewar. Those things don't help. If another comment is interpreting you inaccurately or otherwise in error, provide correct information respectfully. If you can't (or don't want to) do that, it's better not to post until you can (and do).
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