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Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)

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Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)

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Post by wtmt »

gumby wrote: post #31

Notefor dang: this is from 2016 and should say (2016) Seems like a lot of posture and innuendo without a substantive argument. I was hoping to read that Apple was cooperating with Chinese security forces but nothing is actually said on this topic. At least it does mention the removal of some apps relating to Tibet; since then Apple has done the same in HK. I don't know if they have done so in other countries (removed…

On removing apps due to government requests, both Apple and Google do it in the territories they operate in. Over the last year or so, the Indian government has had several tens of Chinese origin apps banned on these stores (including apps like TikTok and PUBG, among many others).

Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)

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What’s more frustrating with Apple is that a lot of data on iCloud is still not encrypted in a way where Apple doesn’t have access to the decryption key (and hence cannot hand over meaningful data). This was reported by Reuters last year as being due to pressure from the FBI. [1]

There is an argument to be made for convenience (especially for data recovery when a device is lost) as a contrasting factor when we talk about end to end encryption, but Apple doesn’t even give that choice to the user.

[1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)

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Post by gumby »

wtmt wrote: post #61
gumby wrote: post #31

Notefor dang: this is from 2016 and should say (2016) Seems like a lot of posture and innuendo without a substantive argument. I was hoping to read that Apple was cooperating with Chinese security forces but nothing is actually said on this topic. At least it does mention the removal of some apps relating to Tibet; since then Apple has done the same in HK. I don't know if they have done so in other countries (removed…

On removing apps due to government requests, both Apple and Google do it in the territories they operate in. Over the last year or so, the Indian government has had several tens of Chinese origin apps banned on these stores (including apps like TikTok and PUBG, among many others).

Russia says they are going to require certain russia-specific apps preloaded on all phones sold in Russia. In wonder what Apple will do. Lack of bundled crapware was one of the selling points for the original iPhone.

Re: Apple works with China but not the FBI (2016)

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Post by CamelCaseName »

m00x wrote: post #60
Judgmentality wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products…

Even in Canada, Pepsi is seen as superior by most of the population.

[citation needed]

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Post by alphameese »

m00x wrote: post #60
Judgmentality wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Pepsi" is now the generic word for "soft drink" in a number of countries. This is interesting. It's the opposite in most of the Americas, and I never saw anything like that in Europe. But I admittedly know very little about Africa and East Asia. > millions and millions of people have never even seen an Apple device nor any advertising for it, while Chinese products are their world. I'm not saying Chinese products…

Even in Canada, Pepsi is seen as superior by most of the population.

I don’t know where in Canada you are, but I can promise you that’s not true anywhere I’ve been in Ontario.

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Post by fomine3 »

rsj_hn wrote: post #56
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your post history suggests that you are in the USA. That is where Apple phones have the greatest market penetration (and Huawei, perhaps, the least) and the mobile landscape looks most clearly like "Apple versus Android". But again, if you just get out there and travel the world, you will soon find that Apple is little-known in so much of it.

You understand that up until mid 2019 Hauwei was using Android, right? And even today, it's just a fork of android. Hauwei was never able to write their own OS or even create their own products. Their first routers would boot up with the IOS command prompt, and even their manuals had cut and paste of IOS documentation. Just blatant copying. Once Hauwei actually builds innovative operating systems and creates new prod…

I don't know what's the point for Huawei using Android. Using Android is the only viable choice to make usable smartphone for developed world and it's (basically) OSS.
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