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Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by jo-m »

disabled wrote: post #41
jo-m wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advantage of not paying US taxes. You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly).

In some countries, yes. This tends to be uncommon in the European Union. Croatia at the moment is a black sheep in the European Union, though, as it has an easy to get digital nomad visa: https://www.total-croatia-news.com/news/digital-nomads-in-cr... For the digital nomad visa in Estonia, for example, you need connections there to essentially get it. Czech Republic has a self-employment visa that allows you to work…

But no country will forbid you to reside in it when you are a citizen of it, and work for a remote company. I think the misunderstanding here from my side was that with "dual citizenship" you meant "having an additional non US passport", but I understood it as "also having an US passport".

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by oh_sigh »

klipt wrote: post #51
oh_sigh wrote: post #27

Where does the power of the dual citizenship come from? If I have a passport each to two countries A and B, and am attempting to enter country C - is the benefit that I can present myself as a citizen of B and will be bound by some B-C covenants, regardless of whether I am a citizen of A, or is it from the fact that C doesn't know that I'm associated with A and only knows about my B loyalty because of the passport I…

Mostly the former, if they offer a 1 year visa to A citizens but a 10 year visa to B citizens, you can say "I'm a B citizen!" and get the 10 year visa. Hiding the fact you're an A citizen is usually only helpful in hostage/terrorist situations which you'd probably want to avoid in any case.

That's what I assumed is the case, but my question is about how much data each country might have on the citizens of other countries, and whether that would affect this arrangement.

I was thinking specifically of the certain countries where you needed to hide the fact that you have been to Israel.

Or, for example, to Iran - where Americans need special government babysitters to visit the country but the Swiss don't. Wouldn't the Iranians want to monitor a Swiss-passport-carrying American as much as any other American?

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by gamekathu »

klipt wrote: post #55
gamekathu wrote: post #48

The post glosses over Canada by not mentioning Quebec. If you are in Quebec, chances of your getting a Permanent Residency is close to slim if you do not have French language proficiency. Thus, while living in Quebec for 5 years now, being a grad student, I neither qualify for PR nor citizenship by naturalization.

In the US a student visa never leads to naturalization, you need a green card first. I think that's the case in most countries. I heard of someone from Haiti getting Canadian citizenship while going to grad school in Quebec but that seems more an exception than the rule.

My point was mainly directed at both PR and naturalization aspects of Canada that was mentioned in this post. Even if you are not a student, the road to PR in Quebec is long if you do not have meet the language requirement. Typically you apply for Quebec Selection Certificate (CSQ) which is a pre-requirement for PR. This pre-requirement also has a pre-requirement nowadays, which is getting an invitation to apply for CSQ through ARRIMA (which has a yearly cap). In total,even if you are not a student, if you do not meet language requirement, it can take 3-4 years just to get the PR, and 3 more for citizenship. Thus, my point was against the classic misconception of “easy path to citizenship” of Canada made by this post (and frankly by a lot of people in general, as they tend to overlook Quebec).

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by 082349872349872 »

lars512 wrote: post #47

I’m all for dual citizenships, but a downside nobody’s talking about is that you have to spend 5-10 years of your life in your new country to get it, not factoring in multi-year waiting times that may exist for processing citizenship. Essentially, you need to be comfortable migrating.

My experience is that acculturation took a while, but it was much faster than the rate of political change in my birth country.

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Post by frosted-flakes »

davchana wrote: post #50
jo-m wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can also work a US based job, remotely in the EU, completely legally. You can also do that 100% legally as a non US citizen (I did), with the added advantage of not paying US taxes. You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly).

> You have to pay taxes and social security in the country where you reside, not where you are a citizen and/or work (mostly). Only US & Eriteria taxes its residents/citizens' income, no matter where it generated. So a US born baby (us citizen by birth), moved to Europe back with parents, or even an adult us citizen working outside US has to file the IRS Return. Every year.

Not if you're yearly income is less than $12000, and I don't think they'll go after you even if you make $100 thousand, because you still won't have to pay any US even if you do file (most countries have agreements with the US to avoid double-taxation below a certain amount). I know a lot of American citizens who live permanently in Canada, and not all of them file US taxes, including my mother in the decades she's lived in Canada.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by frosted-flakes »

lars512 wrote: post #47

I’m all for dual citizenships, but a downside nobody’s talking about is that you have to spend 5-10 years of your life in your new country to get it, not factoring in multi-year waiting times that may exist for processing citizenship. Essentially, you need to be comfortable migrating.

Unless you happen to be lucky enough to be born a dual citizen.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by Brajeshwar »

cambalache wrote: post #36
audiometry wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA even while living in Europe. Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” because it exposes them to a lot of onerous requirements. Can make banking somewhat a pain.

> Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA I think it is for any income above 100k/year (the amount could have changed), if you are in that bracket is a nice problem to have > Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” I live in a country with many American expats, none of them have had any problem whatsoever to access to banking services,…

Recently, I read an article -- Why 'Accidental Americans' Are Desperate to Give Up Their U.S. Citizenship -- https://time.com/5922972/accidental-americans-fatca/

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by sebmellen »

askytb wrote: post #16

I was curious about freedom of travel benefits and made an app where you can check how many more countries you'd be able to access with another passport on top of your existing one: https://multinational.io/best_passport

Neat! Just a note — Germans can have dual citizenship, which doesn't seem to match up with your classification.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by klipt »

gamekathu wrote: post #63
klipt wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US a student visa never leads to naturalization, you need a green card first. I think that's the case in most countries. I heard of someone from Haiti getting Canadian citizenship while going to grad school in Quebec but that seems more an exception than the rule.

My point was mainly directed at both PR and naturalization aspects of Canada that was mentioned in this post. Even if you are not a student, the road to PR in Quebec is long if you do not have meet the language requirement. Typically you apply for Quebec Selection Certificate (CSQ) which is a pre-requirement for PR. This pre-requirement also has a pre-requirement nowadays, which is getting an invitation to apply for…

Yeah I don't know why anyone would choose Quebec if they aren't already fluent in French.

Re: Second Citizenships, Residencies, and/or Temporary Relocation

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Post by refurb »

disabled wrote: post #37
audiometry wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a us dual citizen has the disadvantage of continuing to owe income tax to the USA even while living in Europe. Also many international banks cringe at opening accounts with “us persons” because it exposes them to a lot of onerous requirements. Can make banking somewhat a pain.

There are obscene penalties for improper reporting of foreign bank accounts via FATCA regulations, even if you made a prudent attempt of doing so in your US income taxes. Due to this, you always have to use a CPA as a form of insurance when filing US income taxes abroad. You must have a bank account in Croatia, for example, to get various things done with Croatian government bureaucracy. Generally speaking, some Germ…

I’m surprised your OOP was that high with “good benefits”.

I work outside of tech for a Fortune 500 and my premiums are $1200 per year with a max OOP of $2500.

Unless a plan is grandfathered in, the ACA limits OOP to ~$9k per year.

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-li...

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