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I could rename myself to Presley, but it gives me no standing to Evlis' estate.
Correct. But actually being a direct descendant would, and that's what we're talking about here.
Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
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Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
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This was flagged, but I think mistakenly by people who think you're joking or taking a dig. The point is there weren't 70,000,000,000 people alive in Italy back then (or, you know, anywhere ever), so it is very likely that Dante shows up in multiple branches of this person's ancestry.
I am not sure that is a correct definition of incest, as it more commonly refer to breeding between family members or close relatives, with the definition of close being up to the legal system in place. Just two people with a common ancestry would be a too board definition to be useful. But it is correct that 1 / 70,000,000,000 is the wrong numbers of the genetic contribution. In order to find the correct number one…
Also, in fairness to the poster, incest was in quotes.
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
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Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.
>Italy has a lot of historical continuity. It doesn't. Italy was one of the most ravaged parts of the Western Roman Empire, it has less historical continuity than Spain or France. Only Britain does worse. >If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). That's propaganda. The link between the Roman state and Italy was something pushed by the fascists and it stayed behind in the popular m…
For example here's Egyptian written in hieratic (cursive hieroglyphs written on paper)[0] compared to modern Egyptian Arabic[1]. Now compare pompeii inscriptions [2] to modern Italian graffiti[3].
[0] https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_page_from_the_Eb...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Arabic#Sample_text
[2] https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54149/54149-h/images/illo065...
[3] https://c7.alamy.com/comp/H7ER3R/italian-graffiti-ill-love-y...
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
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I mean they did this: https://apnews.com/article/9b6f6f5ba5be2408ff0502c7fb8abd5b Seems silly. Should they overturn Jesus' conviction too? At a certain point the conviction is part of their story.
This causes some interesting questions about continuity of accountability for governments. I wonder how long you can hold a government accountable for the actions of its previous administrations. How many years can you go back? How many iterations of a state can you hold accountable too?
Probably one election cycle.
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
#65What's the point in pardoning dead people?
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
#66Can a government today even issue a pardon for crimes alleged by a government of 1302? It’s not even the same institution.
Are you sure? Italy has a lot of historical continuity. If you go to Rome, the manhole covers read SPQR (Senatus Populusque Romanus). IIRC the government of Florence still works from the buildings of the Uffizi.
That is... not an example of historical continuity. That's like calling the architecture of the US Supreme Court building "historical continuity" from classical Greece.
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Lots of people seemed to appreciate Alan Turing (and lots of other people) being pardoned for something that should never have been a crime in the first place. Basically, it's a very concrete sign of how we want our society to be now.
i.e. rewriting history.
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
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This was flagged, but I think mistakenly by people who think you're joking or taking a dig. The point is there weren't 70,000,000,000 people alive in Italy back then (or, you know, anywhere ever), so it is very likely that Dante shows up in multiple branches of this person's ancestry.
Which also implies everyone is a descendant of Dante.
Not the most detailed link, but illustrative:
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Because it matters to his descendants?
But do they really have standing?
> According to the Italian newspaper, any final judgment can be subject to revision if there is new evidence showing the offender’s innocence. There is no time limit to the request, which can be proposed by an heir of the convict.
Re: Dante's descendant seeks to overturn poet's 1302 corruption conviction
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean they did this: https://apnews.com/article/9b6f6f5ba5be2408ff0502c7fb8abd5b Seems silly. Should they overturn Jesus' conviction too? At a certain point the conviction is part of their story.
This causes some interesting questions about continuity of accountability for governments. I wonder how long you can hold a government accountable for the actions of its previous administrations. How many years can you go back? How many iterations of a state can you hold accountable too?