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Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by throwaway789394 »

munchbunny wrote: post #2

I'm glad Apple is at least making sure users are aware that this is even a thing. While people on HN are much more likely to follow the issue and do something about it, a lot of laypeople are just vaguely aware that Facebook might be a privacy problem without really understanding what levers they have to manage it themselves.

There’s also people here who have a financial incentive to dismiss privacy concerns bc it conflicts with their RSUs.

For a forum named Hacker News were very accepting of Zuck and his shenanigans.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by newscracker »

notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

> Why would anyone agree to this?

To help small businesses that thrive because of Facebook and to show the finger to greedy corporations like Apple. /s

That’s kinda how Facebook will paint this, without directly mentioning its disgust for Apple in the message prompt. Facebook will also paint a picture of it being the protector of privacy of the user and how it doesn’t “sell” information. There will be a lot of smoke and mirrors, for sure.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by Const-me »

naiveai wrote: post #21
notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

So that the ads are more personalized. I know this sounds weird, but if I'm going to get ads anyway, I'd like them to potentially be products I'm going to maybe have a use for and might make my life easier. I get the privacy implications, but asking "why would anyone agree to this" is kind of narrow-minded.

Interestingly, my preference is opposite. If I'm going to see ads anyway, ideally I want to see them in a language I don't speak.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by whammywon »

judge2020 wrote: post #50
whammywon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but I think it would be a bit naïve to think that Apple is doing so out of the kindness of their hearts. Apple already has access to all the metrics that Facebook would be interested in. It seems to me like this is a set-up for Apple to force FB to buy the data directly from them.

But Apple isn't selling any of that data (which is really just 'downloaded apps' - they don't have the web browsing habits that FB and GOOG have). Their financial interest here is selling privacy with the price being the ongoing commitment to buy Apple products.

Perhaps, but who is to say that they don't have plans to branch out into that business?

It's possible that they have no intent to do so, but a corporation's primary interest is making profit. And what would be a simple, yet significant, source of new revenue? Selling user data.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by lumost »

grishka wrote: post #48
lumost wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few factors at play here when it comes to advertising. 1) Digital is taking over all ad-channels 2) Digital ads can be tracked and attributed ways that were never possible with traditional media 3) It turns out most non-targeted ads aren't actually that effective, and aggregate ad spend is falling. FB ads are effective and high value because of tracking. If tracking goes away, FB ad revenue will fall to t…

How much does Facebook earn from one user, $1 a year? No one would've died if they switched to a $1/year subscription model. People tend to respect companies that are honest with them. Except Facebook won't ever be able to regain its reputation, but still.

Assuming that the only users who would be willing to pay are those who use one of FB's services at least once per month; then FB would need to charge $26/yr to match their current revenue. Given that they already have 2.7 billion MAUs it's unlikely that they could grow their way out of such a change, and serving ads is ultimately inexpensive.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by umvi »

meekrohprocess wrote: post #49
randmeerkat wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has options. I deleted FB years ago. No one actually needs FB.

I agree in principle, and so did I, but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life. It's wrong that people are forced to decide between accepting predatory terms or losing touch with friendly acquaintances. Also, if you own a small business, there's a real chance that you'd rely on Facebook for a significant portion of your business, because without a presence on their platforms you had may as…

> but there's no denying that it puts a major crimp on your social life

In what way? Social lives existed before 2008 when FB went mainstream. I don't have a FB anymore, and I still text my friends for get-togethers.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

lumost wrote: post #31
erentz wrote: post #18

What would happen if legislation were passed to ban all tracking, across the board? Perhaps also inclusive of limits on targeted advertising also (to reduce the incentive to gather personal data). It seems this kind of universal disarmament (so to speak) still leaves FB in the same dominant position from an advertising perspective. It has the same huge audience, and it’s advertising product is the same as everyone el…

There are a few factors at play here when it comes to advertising. 1) Digital is taking over all ad-channels 2) Digital ads can be tracked and attributed ways that were never possible with traditional media 3) It turns out most non-targeted ads aren't actually that effective, and aggregate ad spend is falling. FB ads are effective and high value because of tracking. If tracking goes away, FB ad revenue will fall to t…

> FB ads are effective and high value

Not really.

Digital advertising, frankly, sucks from the advertiser's point of view. It's just that people are online now and advertisers have no choice: the inventory providers are monopolistic and unregulated.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by idreyn »

notyourwork wrote: post #3

Why would anyone agree to this? I don’t see a benefit to letting Facebook or any company track me across the internet. When did we ever decide this was what consumers wanted? Every time this topic comes up I check Facebooks stock price and realize how detached people are from facebooks revenue driven by the advertisement market.

I'm a simple man -- if I see a button with a primary intent color standing between me and my content I've been conditioned to press it, often before I realize what I'm doing or reading the accompanying text. Probably tens of millions of people will do the same here.

Re: Facebook testing notification to users about Apple privacy changes

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Post by grishka »

judge2020 wrote: post #59
grishka wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much does Facebook earn from one user, $1 a year? No one would've died if they switched to a $1/year subscription model. People tend to respect companies that are honest with them. Except Facebook won't ever be able to regain its reputation, but still.

https://mondaynote.com/the-arpus-of-the-big-four-dwarf-every... . Depends on the metric you use. > Facebook’s revenue per user is roaring. For Q4 2018 vs. Q4 2017, it’s global ARPU increased by 19 percent to $7.37, and the US-Canada ARPU by 30 percent to $35. Between 2011 and 2018, the social network global ARPU rose nearly 6x, while the US-Canada grew 11x. With a domestic revenue per user of $112, Facebook is the eq…

TIL. I thought these kinds of numbers weren't at all possible with an ad-supported business model.
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