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Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I would suggest Hetzner's storage share (their managed Nextcloud hosting) [1]. Their pricing starts at €2.90/mo for 100GB of storage, which is significantly cheaper than what is mentioned in the post ($5/mo for 25GB). [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-share

That page seems focused on the file storage aspect. Does Storage Share also include other Nextcloud features like calendar?

Yes, I'm also using Hetzner and have not run into any limits in what plugins you can install and use yet. They used to call 'storage share' just 'Nextcloud', but moved it to the new name for licensing reasons.

I don't know what type of hardware they're running their Nextcloud instances on, but I've been using calendar/contacts and public file sharing (since Firefox Send went down) on the cheapest plan for a while now and it's fine. I also dabbled a bit in using Nextcloud's maps, video calling, bookmarks and rss reader applications and it all works OK, although I didn't stick to them because they're not the most rich in features. I had to Hetzner email support a few times and got a helpful reply within 1-2 work days, sometimes quicker, which I thought was fine.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I used it for about two months and spent dozens of hours trying to help friends/family troubleshoot random glitches the clients had, the unintuitive encryption settings and hugely underwhelming performance that comes with S3-type storage. I loved the idea but it really is a bloated mess and I couldn’t trust it to work when I needed it to.

Tried remote storage and its slow like you mention, but once I ran it on a ryzen desktop with a hdd for storage the whole thing is incredibly fast and works great.

I use it over gigabit fios and get 68MB/sec transfer speeds to/from my nextcloud instance at home. I don't usually get that much with google drive/etc...

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game.

>The one thing really keeping me from getting off Google is YouTube. For everything else there are good alternatives. But YouTube really is the only viable player in the online video game.

The thing I hate most is ads. And YouTube (unless you pay them) gets ever more aggressive with showing ads.

The pre-roll ads are bad enough, but interrupting a playing video with a couple of ads (as happened to me the other day) is way beyond the pale.

I guess I need to take a closer look at integrating youtube-dl into my Mythtv environment and otherwise just ignore YT (as I do all of Google's other herding tools).

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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I'm glad some of yall are mentioning cost. These articles while awesome usually don't mention the cost to operate and support such endeavors. I would like to host my own Matrix instance, but I have no idea what the cost would be monthly.

As an alternative to all the US products being suggested, let me suggest an EU alternative: Contabo.

Their cheapest offering (€4/month including tax) is more than enough for even the heavy web applications and their lowest storage tier will net you 300GiB to play with. The big downside is that networking is limited to 100Mbps, but for casual use that's not that big a deal in practice. That's plenty for a NextCloud instance, a matrix server, a bridge or two, a mail server and more with RAM to spare. The benefit of the classic VPS model over auto scaling cloud compute with a free tier is that a runaway script won't cost you a few hundred bucks if something goes wrong.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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someone please help me understand all the hype about nextcloud. I've tried it and found it to be a bloated mess. Why would I want to run this over several smaller apps that do the job better, just without a fancy (if you could call it that) UI to tie it all together

It seems to have remained quite popular, so there must be reasons why people like it. Someone else just replied “less maintenance,” but I think a lot of it does have to do with a single webpage/all-in-one portal type application where you can do all the “my things” at. Eg, sandstorm is in that sort of category. It is pretty convenient. Note I have played around with sandstorm but never used next cloud. And sandstorm…

Sandstorm was a neat idea, but unfortunately it seems like it is nearly dead: https://sandstorm.io/news/2019-09-15-shutting-down-oasis

> As much as I love Sandstorm, it’s hard to come home from my successful day job to work on an unsuccessful side project. And so, I have been spending less and less time on Sandstorm. I still push updates every month to keep the dependencies fresh, but hadn’t worked on any new features in about a year and a half before adding mass transfers recently.

> Meanwhile, without leadership, the community has mostly disbanded. The only app that gets regular updates anymore is Wekan, thanks to its maintainer Lauri “xet7” Ojansivu. Jake Weisz heroically continues to carry the Sandstorm flag, reviewing app submissions (mostly from Lauri), replying to questions and bug reports, and advocating Sandstorm around the internet. A couple others lurk on the mailing list and IRC. Most people have moved on.

> Almost all the app packages are from 2015-2016; many of those apps have had significant updates in their standalone versions since then which are missing on Sandstorm.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I use ownCloud and I log into my Digital Ocean VM running Debian about once a week to do `apt update && apt full-upgrade`. Doesn't feel like major drain of my time.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #66
post #42

I had a few instances of OwnCloud and various NAS setups over the years. Then I had a kid and dumped everything into iCloud when I realized I’d no longer have time to keep it all secure/patched. Time cost of these setups is real.

I use ownCloud and I log into my Digital Ocean VM running Debian about once a week to do `apt update && apt full-upgrade`. Doesn't feel like major drain of my time.

Have you considered using the unattended-upgrades package?

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use ownCloud and I log into my Digital Ocean VM running Debian about once a week to do `apt update && apt full-upgrade`. Doesn't feel like major drain of my time.

Have you considered using the unattended-upgrades package?

I have, but I like keeping an eye on things.

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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Does anybody have a good recommendation for an automated Gmail backup? I am happy using Gmail for now, I just want my own copy of all of my emails that I can search and read - offline if necessary.

I tried to use Nextcloud's email app to backup my gmail, but after sending it up I realized that it is just an alternate interface to access email on Google's server, not a proper backup solution. (It only supports IMAP, not POP3.)

If I can't find a better solution, I may just set up Thunderbird and put it and POP3 mode, but I'd really prefer something that could sit on a server and run automatically without me having to touch it.

(For what it's worth, I ended up keeping my Nextcloud server set up because I found that I really like the notes app. I also have it doing a daily backup of my contacts from my phone and it's replaced Dropbox for small file storage. I already had my photos backing up to a Plex instance on the same server, or else I would probably be using the photo backup feature as well. )

Re: Setting up your own Nextcloud instance to get off of Google

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post #55

Nextcloud and owncloud are written in PHP like so are many other web server apps, especially wiki servers. I've always had misgivings about the security of using and running PHP. Does PHP software still tend to be insecure as in the past? Why are there so many web apps (especially wiki servers) written in PHP instead of e.g. Python, Rust or some other language?

Yeah it is, don't use it.

All the advancements on PHP are great, it's becoming a JAVA more and more, but likely any PHP legacy apps will never see an upgrade to the latest version. And starting a new project in PHP, nah, there are better more well designed programming languages.

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