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Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Re: Apple MacBook Pro 13” M1 Review- Why You Might Want to Pass

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Post by mgkimsal »

jmuguy wrote: post #42
bstar77 wrote: post #7

"Apple-chosen press" is referenced in almost every paragraph of this article if you are wondering what the author's intent is here. I'll sum up his unique complaints... Lots of old Microsoft specific software still doesn't work well at the moment. If you are an enthusiastic Edge browser user, this laptop probably isn't for you.

This has gotta be the first time I’ve heard of anyone using Edge on macOS... I mean, why?

the reviewer mentioned word and excel and teams - very likely they're "all in" on the ms office suite, except for... running it on windows.

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Post by othercharles »

akmarinov wrote: post #58
othercharles wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs famously said quite strongly that they'd never do one. There is a video around of him justifying it due to the user's hands getting too tired https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=S9ZJHy8QOso . After 12 years on Macs I picked up a touchscreen PC and would simply never go back to a non-touch machine, it is not essential, but it is incredibly convenient. Why shouldn't it be possible to touch rather than tap whe…

I picked up a Dell touchscreen laptop and literally have never used the touchscreen. I even forgot it has it. I just can’t see any reason to use it and how it’s better.

I probably use it for around 10-15% of navigation and scrolling on web sites. It's not a case of "I'm on a web site designed for a touch device, I will therefore now start poking the screen", but more along the lines of noticing it'd be much quicker to work a sequence of buttons by touch than by tap.

Touch is definitely much faster to get through certain styles of forms. The first that came to mind where I'd often tend to touch is the TFL (Transport for London) journey planner.

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Post by chongli »

bstar77 wrote: post #30
CalChris wrote: post #22

A few Pro features Apple could add to the MacBook Pro: ECC, ZFS, function keys Yeah, function keys like on the Air. I don't know anyone who likes the Touch Bar. I'd like to get a Pro but the Air is very very good and I don't find anything that I really value on the Pro. Yes, the Pro is faster than the Air but the Air is fast and faster apparently requires a fan.

The pro is not any faster, it just has a fan that kicks in that prevents the machine from throttling as quickly. Someone who buys a PC with a water cooler isn't buying a machine that's faster than someone buying one with an air cooler. I realize there's a nuance here.

From the reviews on YouTube that I’ve seen, the fan on the Pro is inaudible all the time, even after running Cinebench in a loop for 30 mins. The reviewer was able to conclude that the fan was actually doing something, since the benchmark score held steady over those multiple consecutive runs whereas the score of the Air dropped after about ten minutes of sustained load.

I’m sure the Pro has the same throttling logic as the Air since they’re identical apart from the fan and case/peripherals but it’s going to be very difficult to get it to throttle. I would think you’d need to run a microbenchmark of vector instructions in a very tight loop just to get the fan to spin fast enough to be audible. Under normal use it may never happen unless the fan fails.

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Post by ethbr0 »

othercharles wrote: post #62
akmarinov wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I picked up a Dell touchscreen laptop and literally have never used the touchscreen. I even forgot it has it. I just can’t see any reason to use it and how it’s better.

I probably use it for around 10-15% of navigation and scrolling on web sites. It's not a case of "I'm on a web site designed for a touch device, I will therefore now start poking the screen", but more along the lines of noticing it'd be much quicker to work a sequence of buttons by touch than by tap. Touch is definitely much faster to get through certain styles of forms. The first that came to mind where I'd often te…

Does {tab}/{space} not work in some forms?

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Post by viktorcode »

alisonkisk wrote: post #48

> During Covid-19, I know many people using their LTE-infused notebooks so they don’t have to compete with their kids for bandwidth. That's just bizarre and makes me question this reviewer's comprehension of technology. He doesn't understand hotspots? He things hes maxing out a home wifi+ISP connection but LTE can handle the load?

The complaint in the article is about lack of 5G specifically, not just any mobile connection.

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Post by jason0597 »

themgt wrote: post #21

This review is hilariously bad and biased ("no touchscreen or 5G!"), but the app compatibility is an expected chicken-or-egg issue with early adopters. The point I would make is you have to weigh the app experience in Nov 2020 against your expected experience for the rest of the life of the machine. I know people who've kept Macs running for nearly a decade (e.g. 2011 Macbook Air) and I'd strongly suspect 5 years fro…

>but the app compatibility is an expected chicken-or-egg issue with early adopters.

>The point I would make is you have to weigh the app experience in Nov 2020 against your expected experience for the rest of the life of the machine.

So much for the "It just works" marketing that Apple used to push a couple of years ago.

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Post by BossingAround »

nfg wrote: post #39
themgt wrote: post #21

This review is hilariously bad and biased ("no touchscreen or 5G!"), but the app compatibility is an expected chicken-or-egg issue with early adopters. The point I would make is you have to weigh the app experience in Nov 2020 against your expected experience for the rest of the life of the machine. I know people who've kept Macs running for nearly a decade (e.g. 2011 Macbook Air) and I'd strongly suspect 5 years fro…

> I know people who've kept Macs running for nearly a decade (e.g. 2011 Macbook Air) It’s no longer my primary machine but my 2009 MBP is still running just fine (new memory and disk 5 years back, battery is a bit shagged at this stage) and I use it all the time for storing and casting media, light dev work, office apps etc.

> new memory and disk

Something you'll not be able to do with Apple Silicon hardware. I am interested in the longevity of the new devices, but they'll definitely age faster since the configuration you get today is it.

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Post by jason0597 »

grey-area wrote: post #23

This is a review from someone who uses Microsoft Edge, Outlook, and Adobe Reader on a Mac. Those are very unusual choices nowadays for Mac software, so I don't think this applies to most Mac users considering upgrading.

Microsoft applications are a massive staple in the business world. The fact that Microsoft went as far as to port them natively to the MacOS platform goes to show how important these applications are.

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Post by Consultant32452 »

othercharles wrote: post #62
akmarinov wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I picked up a Dell touchscreen laptop and literally have never used the touchscreen. I even forgot it has it. I just can’t see any reason to use it and how it’s better.

I probably use it for around 10-15% of navigation and scrolling on web sites. It's not a case of "I'm on a web site designed for a touch device, I will therefore now start poking the screen", but more along the lines of noticing it'd be much quicker to work a sequence of buttons by touch than by tap. Touch is definitely much faster to get through certain styles of forms. The first that came to mind where I'd often te…

My work provided laptop has a touch screen. I only ever use it when I'm trying to point out something on the screen and touch the screen by accident. It's always jarring.

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Post by bogomipz »

I have a tangential question. Would there be any technical reason why Apple only released a 13" version of the Macbook pro with the new M1 chip and not any of the larger versions of the Macbook pro or would this likely be a 'refresh schedule" consideration?
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